Differential equation mixing problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to a beer vat containing alcohol. Initially, the amount of alcohol is calculated incorrectly due to a typo in the differential equation, which should be dy/dt = (120 - y)/100 instead of (1200 - y)/t. After correcting this, the solution involves integrating to find the amount of alcohol over time, ultimately leading to the correct calculation of alcohol percentage. The confusion also stems from a simple oversight regarding the time conversion from minutes to hours. The final resolution confirms the need for careful attention to detail in mathematical computations.
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Homework Statement


A vat with 2000L of beer contains 4% alcohol (by volume). Beer with 6% alcohol is pumped into the vat at a rate of 20L/min and the mixture is pumped out at the same rate. What is the percentage of alcohol after an hour?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


At ##t = 0## the amount of alcohol is 80L, let the amount at time ##t## be ##y##.
##\frac{dy}{dt} = rate in - rate out##
##rate in = (20L/min)(0.06) = 1.2L/min##
##rate out = \frac{y}{2000}(20L/min) = \frac{y}{100}L/min##

Which leads to:
##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{t}##

##\int\frac{dy}{1200 - y} = \int\frac{dt}{100}##

##-\ln|1200 - y| = \frac{t}{100} + k##

##1200 - y = Ae^{-t/100}##, yielding
##y(t) = 1120e^{-t/100}##

Substituting ##t = 1## gives ##y \approx 91.14## and converting to a percentage gives about ##4.6%## while the actual answer is ##4.9##. The general solution works fine for ##t = 0## which implies that the value of ##A## is correct. Where lies the error here?
 
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Lord Anoobis said:

Homework Statement


A vat with 2000L of beer contains 4% alcohol (by volume). Beer with 6% alcohol is pumped into the vat at a rate of 20L/min and the mixture is pumped out at the same rate. What is the percentage of alcohol after an hour?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


At ##t = 0## the amount of alcohol is 80L, let the amount at time ##t## be ##y##.
##\frac{dy}{dt} = rate in - rate out##
##rate in = (20L/min)(0.06) = 1.2L/min##
##rate out = \frac{y}{2000}(20L/min) = \frac{y}{100}L/min##

Which leads to:
##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{t}##

##\int\frac{dy}{1200 - y} = \int\frac{dt}{100}##

##-\ln|1200 - y| = \frac{t}{100} + k##

##1200 - y = Ae^{-t/100}##, yielding
##y(t) = 1120e^{-t/100}##

Substituting ##t = 1## gives ##y \approx 91.14## and converting to a percentage gives about ##4.6%## while the actual answer is ##4.9##. The general solution works fine for ##t = 0## which implies that the value of ##A## is correct. Where lies the error here?
You made a computation error, as ##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{t}## is wrong.

There a further error(s) down the line, so after fixing the formula for ##\frac{dy}{dt}##, carefully redo your calculations.
 
Samy_A said:
You made a computation error, as ##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{t}## is wrong.

There a further error(s) down the line, so after fixing the formula for ##\frac{dy}{dt}##, carefully redo your calculations.
I made a typo there, it's supposed to be

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{100}##
 
Lord Anoobis said:
I made a typo there, it's supposed to be

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{1200 - y}{100}##
Still wrong.
 
Samy_A said:
Still wrong.
Multiplication error...

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{120 - y}{100}##
 
Lord Anoobis said:
Multiplication error...

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{120 - y}{100}##

Still a balls-up. I just don't see it.
 
Lord Anoobis said:
Multiplication error...

##\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{120 - y}{100}##
Yes, that's correct.

Now just continue from this.
This will lead to ##120 - y = Ae^{-t/100}## (exactly as in your first computation, with 120 instead of 1200).

Now use y(0)=80 to get A.
 
Samy_A said:
Yes, that's correct.

Now just continue from this.
This will lead to ##120 - y = Ae^{-t/100}## (exactly as in your first computation, with 120 instead of 1200).

Now use y(0)=80 to get A.
More than one typo, actually. Anyway, now I get

##y = 120 - 40e^{-t/100}## with ##t = 1## giving ##y = 80.398...## which is not correct. That's what I meant by the persistent balls-up.
 
Lord Anoobis said:
More than one typo, actually. Anyway, now I get

##y = 120 - 40e^{-t/100}## with ##t = 1## giving ##y = 80.398...## which is not correct. That's what I meant by the persistent balls-up.
How many minutes are there in 1 hour?
 
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Samy_A said:
How many minutes in an hour?
Problem solved and the need for a break confirmed. I can't believe I missed that. Much appreciated.
 

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