Differential equation question (HELP)

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The discussion revolves around a non-homogenous higher order differential equation, specifically u'' - 2 u' - 8 u = 6 - 8t, along with initial conditions u(1) = 0 and u'(1) = 1. Participants are exploring methods to find the solution while discussing the associated characteristic polynomial and the existence and uniqueness theorem.

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  • Participants are attempting to identify the characteristic polynomial and its roots, discussing the need for a particular solution alongside the homogeneous solution. There are questions about the correct form of the trial function and the values of constants that satisfy the differential equation.

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There is ongoing exploration of the trial function and its parameters, with some participants providing guidance on how to derive the particular solution. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the relationship between the homogeneous and non-homogeneous parts of the equation.

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Participants are addressing the initial conditions and the uniqueness of the solution, while also noting the potential confusion arising from the trial functions and their derivatives. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's recent illness, which may have impacted their understanding of the material.

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Hi

Given the non-homogenous higher order differential equation

[tex]u'' - 2 u' - 8 u = 6 - 8t[/tex]

with the intial conditions u(1) = 0 and u'(1) = 1.

Find the solution.

I'm told by my professor that I'm supposed to use the fact

[tex]{u''} + {a_1} u' + {a_0} u = f[/tex]
The characteristic polynomial for this differential equation is supposedly

[tex]z^2 + {a_1} z + {a_0} z = 0[/tex]

Using this fact I find root of the polynomial of the differential equation above to be [tex]\lambda _{1,2} = 4,-2[/tex]

The I'm suppose to use the fact that (Existence and Uniqueness theorem of Non-liniear differential equations) if [tex]\lambda {_1} \neq \lambda {_2}[/tex]

[tex]u_0 (t) : = \int \limit_{t_0} ^t \frac{e^{\lambda_1 (t-s)} - e^{\lambda_2 (t-s)}}{\lambda_1 - \lambda_2} f(s) ds[/tex]

[tex]t \in I[/tex]

My solution.

Since lambda 1 and lambda 2 er different then there exist a unique partiqular solution in the form:

[tex]u(t) = C_1 e^{6-8t} + C_2 e^{-8} = 0[/tex]

By inserting part 1 of the condition into the above, I get that C_1 = C_2 = 0.

initial condition 1 = true.

I differentiate u(t) and get [tex]u'(t) = -8 e^{-2} C_1 = 1[/tex]

here I get that [tex]C_1 = \frac{1}{-8{e^{-2}}} = \frac{-e^2}{8}[/tex] and this proves that u'(1) = 1

Am I on the right track here now?

Sincerley Yours
Fred
 
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That would be the solution of the associated HOMOGENOUS problem (i.e, when f=0).
In addition to that, you need a particular solution of your diff. eq, try with the trial function at+b, where a, b are constants to be determined
 
Please look at my corrected solution above. Am I on the right track?

Sincerely
Fred
 
Your u(t) is NOT a solution of your original diff eq; it is part of it!
 
arildno said:
Your u(t) is NOT a solution of your original diff eq; it is part of it!

Okay the I not sure but then full solution is

u(t) = C_1 e^{6-8t} + C_2 e^{-8} = 6 - 8t ??

Sincerley

Fred
 
No, insert in your diff. eq. the trial function:
[tex]u(t)=C_{1}e^{\lambda_{1}t}+C_{2}e^{\lambda_{2}t}+at+b[/tex]
What equations do you see that "a" and "b" must fulfill in order for u(t) to be a solution?
 
arildno said:
No, insert in your diff. eq. the trial function:
[tex]u(t)=C_{1}e^{\lambda_{1}t}+C_{2}e^{\lambda_{2}t}+at+b[/tex]
What equations do you see that "a" and "b" must fulfill in order for u(t) to be a solution?

a and b must have such values that the solution is equal to the original differential equation ?

/Fred
 
Almost:
a and b must have such values that the trial function is a SOLUTION of the original differential equation.
 
by inserting a trail equation u(t) = at^2 + b

I get a = 0 and b = 2.

Does that sound right?

Sincerely Fred
 
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No, you should insert at+b:
the second derivative of this is zero, so you end up with the equation for a, b:
[tex]-2a-8(at+b)=6-8t[/tex]
Thus, we get a=1 to match the first power in t, and to zeroth order in t, we're left with:
-2*1-8b=6, that is b=-1
 
  • #11
Okay then the solution is

[tex]u(t)=C_{1}e^{\lambda_{1}t}+C_{2}e^{\lambda_{2}t}+ t - 1[/tex]

But what about the lambda values could you give me a hint on how til determain them?

Sincerely

Fred
 
  • #12
Well, you have already found them as the solutions of the characteristic equation!
Surely you have seen this type of exercises before?
 
  • #13
Yes of course, I have had the flue this last week, so I have been under the weather ;)

Just to recap lambda values are found as the solution of

u(t) = z(t)^2 - 2 z(t) - 8 = 0 ?

Sincerely Fred.

p.s. Talking about existence and uniquness. The exist only one solution for the differential equation. Since the solution polynomial for diff. equation is unique ?
 
  • #14
Yes.
You now find the the UNIQUE solution of the whole initial value problem by fitting the C's so that the initial conditions are satisfied.
 

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