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The discussion revolves around a differential equation of the form y'' + y' - 2y = 3e^(-2x) + 5cos(x). Participants are exploring the method of undetermined coefficients to find the particular solution.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the selection of trial functions for the particular integral, noting the need to adjust the trial function when it overlaps with the complementary solution. Questions arise regarding the conditions under which terms in the trial function should be multiplied by x or x² to ensure linear independence.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind modifying the trial function for the particular integral. Some participants provide insights into the necessity of ensuring linear independence from the complementary solution, while others reference historical methods related to this approach.

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Participants are considering the implications of the terms in the homogeneous solution and their relationship to the non-homogeneous part of the equation. The discussion reflects on the rules of selecting trial functions in the context of differential equations.

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I have a differential equation

y'' + y' -2y = 3e-2x + 5cosx

y = yc + yp

I found

yc = Ae-2x + Bex

for A, B arb. Const.

Then when selecting a trial function to find the particular integral, yp I came up with:

yp = ae-2x + bcosx + csinx

However the correct trial function to choose is:

yp = axe-2x + bcosx + csinx

Where the ae-2x has been multiplied by x. I was wondering in what instance I would have to multiply the term in the yp equation by x or x2.
 
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Calu said:
I have a differential equation

y'' + y' -2y = 3e-2x + 5cosx

y = yc + yp

I found

yc = Ae-2x + Bex

for A, B arb. Const.

Then when selecting a trial function to find the particular integral, yp I came up with:

yp = ae-2x + bcosx + csinx

However the correct trial function to choose is:

yp = axe-2x + bcosx + csinx

Where the ae-2x has been multiplied by x. I was wondering in what instance I would have to multiply the term in the yp equation by x or x2.

When you plug in your expression for ##y_p##, you know you need to get out a ##3e^{-2x}## term. But if you plug ##ae^{-2x}## into the equation, you know you will get zero because it is in ##y_c##. That's when you want to try a term ##y_p=axe^{-2x}##. There's more to that story but that's the short answer.
 
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You want the terms in ##y_p## to be linearly independent of the terms in ##y_c##. Note that ##f(x) = 3e^{-2x} +5cos(x)##.

Your original guess for ##y_p## includes a multiple of one of your homogeneous solutions, namely the ##Ae^{-2x}## term, so it cannot be linearly independent of ##y_c##. Multiplying by ##x## is a quick shortcut to obtaining a linearly independent ##y_p## guess.

This method was developed by D'alembert, you can find out more by checking out "reduction order".
 
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LCKurtz said:
When you plug in your expression for ##y_p##, you know you need to get out a ##3e^{-2x}## term. But if you plug ##ae^{-2x}## into the equation, you know you will get zero because it is in ##y_c##. That's when you want to try a term ##y_p=axe^{-2x}##. There's more to that story but that's the short answer.



Zondrina said:
You want the terms in ##y_p## to be linearly independent of the terms in ##y_c##. Note that ##f(x) = 3e^{-2x} +5cos(x)##.

Your original guess for ##y_p## includes a multiple of one of your homogeneous solutions, namely the ##Ae^{-2x}## term, so it cannot be linearly independent of ##y_c##. Multiplying by ##x## is a quick shortcut to obtaining a linearly independent ##y_p## guess.

This method was developed by D'alembert, you can find out more by checking out "reduction order".

These were both great answers! Thanks a lot!
 

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