Setting up particular solution for nonhomogenous diff eq'n

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The discussion revolves around setting up a particular solution for the nonhomogeneous differential equation y'' + 3y' + 2y = -10e^(3t). Participants explore the implications of the roots of the characteristic equation and the form of the particular solution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss whether to include a negative sign in the particular solution, yp(t) = -Ae^(3t) versus yp(t) = Ae^(3t). There is consideration of the impact of these choices on the value of A after substitution into the original equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance suggesting that it may not matter whether -A or A is used, as both could yield valid results. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the implications of each choice on the final value of A.

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Participants note the importance of adhering to forum rules regarding the homework template, indicating that the problem is part of a structured homework assignment.

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Given the nonhomogenous differential equation y'' + 3y' + 2y = -10e^(3t), the roots are r = -2 & -1, & the characteristic eq'n is yc(x) = c1e^(-2t) + c2e^(-t)

How do we go about setting up the particular solution?

There is no repetition between terms so I know that we do not add a variable to the particular solution. Since we have -10e^3t do we set up the particular solution as yp(t) = -Ae^3t? OR just yp(t) = Ae^3t? I know that A just represents a constant but do I need to include the negative sign or not?

Thank you.
 
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Rosebud said:
Given the nonhomogenous differential equation y'' + 3y' + 2y = -10e^(3t), the roots are r = -2 & -1, & the characteristic eq'n is yc(x) = c1e^(-2t) + c2e^(-t)

How do we go about setting up the particular solution?

There is no repetition between terms so I know that we do not add a variable to the particular solution. Since we have -10e^3t do we set up the particular solution as yp(t) = -Ae^3t? OR just yp(t) = Ae^3t? I know that A just represents a constant but do I need to include the negative sign or not?

Thank you.

It doesn't matter whether you use the ##-A## or ##A##. Try them.
 
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Rosebud said:
Given the nonhomogenous differential equation y'' + 3y' + 2y = -10e^(3t), the roots are r = -2 & -1, & the characteristic eq'n is yc(x) = c1e^(-2t) + c2e^(-t)

How do we go about setting up the particular solution?

There is no repetition between terms so I know that we do not add a variable to the particular solution. Since we have -10e^3t do we set up the particular solution as yp(t) = -Ae^3t? OR just yp(t) = Ae^3t? I know that A just represents a constant but do I need to include the negative sign or not?

Thank you.
In future posts, please do not delete the homework template.
 
LCKurtz said:
It doesn't matter whether you use the ##-A## or ##A##. Try them.
When setting up the particular solution as yp(t) = Ae^(3t), yp'(t) = 3Ae^(3t) and yp''(t) = 9Ae^(3t). After substituting these back into the original diff eq'n we get A = -1/2.

However, when setting up the particular sol'n as yp(t) = -Ae^(3t), yp'(t) = -3Ae^(3t) and yp''(t) = -9Ae^(3t). After substituting these back into the original diff eq'n we get A = 1/2.

So, I do believe there is a difference because -1/2 is not equal to 1/2.

Which substitution should I use, A or -A?
 
Mark44 said:
In future posts, please do not delete the homework template.

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Rosebud said:
You mean those 1.

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Yes, and the sections for Problem Statement, Relevant Equations, and Attempt. Per forum rules, the homework template is required for homework problems.
 
LCKurtz said:
It doesn't matter whether you use the ##-A## or ##A##. Try them.
Oh, I get it now. -A = 1/2 and A = 1/2 so it doesn't matter... derp.

Thank you so much!
 
Mark44 said:
Yes, and the sections for Problem Statement, Relevant Equations, and Attempt. Per forum rules, the homework template is required for homework problems.
Sounds good, I will use them from now on.
 
Rosebud said:
When setting up the particular solution as yp(t) = Ae^(3t), yp'(t) = 3Ae^(3t) and yp''(t) = 9Ae^(3t). After substituting these back into the original diff eq'n we get A = -1/2.

However, when setting up the particular sol'n as yp(t) = -Ae^(3t), yp'(t) = -3Ae^(3t) and yp''(t) = -9Ae^(3t). After substituting these back into the original diff eq'n we get A = 1/2.

So, I do believe there is a difference because -1/2 is not equal to 1/2.

Which substitution should I use, A or -A?
Rosebud said:
Sounds good, I will use them from now on.
OK, good. We appreciate it.

I should mention that there's no point in writing -Ae3t, as A could be positive or negative. All that will come out in the wash when you solve for A.
 

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