Please help with this Differential equation problem

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation y'' - 16y = 2e^4x, specifically focusing on finding the general solution. The subject area is differential equations, particularly the method of undetermined coefficients.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the challenge of finding a particular solution for the non-homogeneous term 2e^4x, noting that the term is also a solution to the homogeneous equation. There is confusion regarding the transition from 2e^4x to the form used for the particular solution, leading to questions about why yp = ae^4x fails and the suggestion to try yp = Axe^4x instead.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the implications of the homogeneous solution on the choice of particular solution. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the method of undetermined coefficients and the necessity of modifying the form of the particular solution due to the overlap with the homogeneous solution.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment that the original poster's professor did not provide extensive detail on the method, leading to varying levels of understanding among participants regarding the appropriate forms for particular solutions based on the nature of the non-homogeneous term.

Ric-Veda
Messages
32
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


y''-16y=2e^4x. Find general solution

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I have the homogenous equation which is c1e^-4x+c2e^4x, but I'm trying to find the particular solution for 2e^4x. I did yp=ae^4x, yp'=4ae^4x, yp''=16ae^4x, then plugged it into the equation, then got 0=2e^4x. What am I doing wrong. And I don't understand how 2e^4x becomes ae^4x
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Ric-Veda said:

Homework Statement


y''-16y=2e^4x. Find general solution

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I have the homogenous equation which is c1e^-4x+c2e^4x, but I'm trying to find the particular solution for 2e^4x. I did yp=ae^4x, yp'=4ae^4x, yp''=16ae^4x, then plugged it into the equation, then got 0=2e^4x. What am I doing wrong. And I don't understand how 2e^4x becomes ae^4x

Use the method of undermined coefficients; see, eg.,
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/UndeterminedCoefficients.aspx
or
http://www.math.psu.edu/tseng/class/Math251/Notes-2nd%20order%20ODE%20pt2.pdf
 
Ric-Veda said:

Homework Statement


y''-16y=2e^4x. Find general solution

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I have the homogenous equation which is c1e^-4x+c2e^4x, but I'm trying to find the particular solution for 2e^4x. I did yp=ae^4x, yp'=4ae^4x, yp''=16ae^4x, then plugged it into the equation, then got 0=2e^4x. What am I doing wrong. And I don't understand how 2e^4x becomes ae^4x

Since ##e^{4x}## is a solution to the homogeneous equation, of course trying ##y_p = ae^{4x}## is going to give you ##0##. Try ##y_p = Axe^{4x}##.
 
LCKurtz said:
Since ##e^{4x}## is a solution to the homogeneous equation, of course trying ##y_p = ae^{4x}## is going to give you ##0##. Try ##y_p = Axe^{4x}##.
But I need to know why instead of using yp=ae^4x, you have to use yp=axe^4x (sorry, the template to write the equation like you did is very complicated for me)
 
My professor did not go in dept. I just know know:
if a constant: yp=A

if x: yp=Ax+B

if x^2: yp=Ax^2+Bx+C

if cos(x) or sin(x): yp=Acos(x)+Asin(x)

if e^x: yp=Ae^x

Or something like that?
 
You have been suggested to look at the method of undetermined coefficients above. Another more organized way is to use the method of annihilators, which involves less guesswork. Lots of info on the internet. One source is
http://dankalman.net/AUhome/classes/classesF12/odes/assignments/annihilatormethod.pdf
 
Ric-Veda said:
My professor did not go in dept. I just know know:
if a constant:

if cos(x) or sin(x): yp=Acos(x)+Asin(x)

if e^x: yp=Ae^x

Or something like that?
These are valid only, if the the right side is not solution of the homogeneous equation. If it is, you have to include the factor x, in order that you do not get zero on the right side when you substitute the particular solution.

upload_2017-1-22_5-34-12.png
 
Last edited:
Ric-Veda said:
But I need to know why instead of using yp=ae^4x, you have to use yp=axe^4x (sorry, the template to write the equation like you did is very complicated for me)

Have you looked at the links I supplied in post #2?
 

Similar threads

Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K