Differential Equations: Finding dy/dx from dx/dt and dy/dt

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a goose flying towards its nest while being affected by wind, requiring the derivation of dy/dx from given rates of change dx/dt and dy/dt. The context is within differential equations, specifically relating to motion in a coordinate system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the rates of change of x and y, questioning the assumption that these rates are constant. There is an exploration of using the chain rule and polar coordinates to express dy/dx.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants clarifying the implications of the goose's flight direction and the effect of wind. Some guidance on using trigonometric identities is offered, and there is acknowledgment of the confusion in the wording of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the assumption of constant rates of change may not hold due to the influence of wind, leading to a deeper examination of the problem's setup and definitions.

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Homework Statement


A goose starts in flight a miles due east of its nest. Assume that the goose maintains constant flight speed (relative to the air) so that it is always flying directly toward its nest. The wind is blowing due north at w miles per hour. Figure 8 shows a coordinate frame with the nest at (0,0) and the goose at (x,y). It is easily seen that

\frac{dx}{dt} = -v0cosθ
\frac{dy}{dt} = w - v0sinθ

Show that

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y - k\sqrt{x^{2} + y^{2}}}{x}

where k = w/v0, the ratio of the wind speed to the speed of the goose.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I don't see how the above can be the solution. x' and y' are constant so dx/dy should just be y/x, shouldn't it?
 
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djh101 said:
I don't see how the above can be the solution. x' and y' are constant so dx/dy should just be y/x, shouldn't it?
What makes you say x' and y' are constants? They both depend on θ.

Use the chain rule to get an expression for dy/dx (this is trivial), then use x=rcosθ, y=rsinθ.
 
Sorry, I meant their rates of change are constant. Since the goose is always flying directly towards its nest, θ shouldn't change.
 
djh101 said:
Since the goose is always flying directly towards its nest, θ shouldn't change.

This would be true is w=0.

Perhaps better way to say it would be that the goose is always trying to fly towards its nest.
 
I figured out, the wording was just a little confusing. I guess what they meant is that it was always going towards the nest (i.e. forward, not backward) and wen't straight (i.e. no turns on the z-axis), not necessarily in a straight line, though. Thanks for your help, I figured it out after plugging in for sin and cos.
 

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