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The discussion revolves around a differential equations problem, specifically focusing on the uniqueness theorem related to initial value problems (IVPs). Participants are examining the conditions under which solutions to the IVP are unique or potentially non-unique.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the uniqueness theorem, questioning the continuity of the function and its partial derivative. They discuss specific initial conditions and their effects on the uniqueness of solutions.

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Some participants have provided insights into the continuity requirements for the uniqueness theorem, while others are probing deeper into scenarios where the theorem may not apply. There is an ongoing exploration of examples where the uniqueness might fail, particularly focusing on the implications of discontinuities.

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Participants are considering specific values for initial conditions, such as y(0) = -1, and discussing the limitations of the uniqueness theorem when its hypotheses are not met. There is an acknowledgment that failure of the theorem does not necessarily imply multiple solutions.

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Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution



For part (a), according to the uniqueness theorem, if f(t,y) and ∂f/∂y are continious in a given interval in which (t0, y0) exists, and if y1(t) and y2(t) are two functions that solve the initial value problem then

y1(t) = y2(t)

So... in my problem the function √y+1 is continious for values greater than or equal to -1. And the partial derivative

[itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial y} = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{y+1}}[/itex]

is continious for y>-1.

So, can I use y(0)=3 (i.e. t0=0, and y0=3)? What else do I need to do in order to show that the solution is unique to the IVP?

For part (b), are there any values of t0 and y0 such that the initial value problem has more than one solution? The uniqueness theorem says if both f(t,y) and ∂f/∂y are continious, then the uniquesness of the solution is guaranteed. So how is it possible to find an example where the uniqueness fails?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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roam said:

Homework Statement



http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6672/37517439.jpg

The Attempt at a Solution



For part (a), according to the uniqueness theorem, if f(t,y) and ∂f/∂y are continious in a given interval in which (t0, y0) exists, and if y1(t) and y2(t) are two functions that solve the initial value problem then

y1(t) = y2(t)

So... in my problem the function √y+1 is continious for values greater than or equal to -1. And the partial derivative

[itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial y} = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{y+1}}[/itex]

is continious for y>-1.

So, can I use y(0)=3 (i.e. t0=0, and y0=3)? What else do I need to do in order to show that the solution is unique to the IVP?
Yes, that perfectly good. And showing that [itex]f[/itex] and [itex]f_y[/itex] are continuous is sufficient.

For part (b), are there any values of t0 and y0 such that the initial value problem has more than one solution? The uniqueness theorem says if both f(t,y) and ∂f/∂y are continious, then the uniquesness of the solution is guaranteed. So how is it possible to find an example where the uniqueness fails?
Well, how about a place where ∂f/∂y is NOT continuous? That is, what about the initial condition y(0)= -1?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Well, how about a place where ∂f/∂y is NOT continuous? That is, what about the initial condition y(0)= -1?

Thank you. But if one of the hypotheses of the Uniqueness Theorem fails (in this case ∂f/∂y fails to exist if y = -1), that simply means that the theorem does not tell us anything about the number of solutions to an initial-value problem of the form y(t0)=-1. It doesn't prove that there are more than one solutions!

So, how else can we think of a point (t0, y0) where the IVP has two or more solutions (without actually calculating any solutions to the DE as the question asks)? :confused:
 
If the uniqueness theorem fails, then it is inconclusive. It doesn't guarantee that there are more than one solutions, isn't that right?
 

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