Differential equations: separating variables

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The discussion focuses on solving two differential equations using the method of separation of variables. For the first equation, users are trying to reconcile their solution with the textbook answer, particularly regarding the logarithmic terms in the denominator. The second equation involves integrating a function with partial fractions, where participants point out a sign error in the integration process. Clarification is provided on how to correctly isolate the variable y after integration. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful integration and the use of logarithmic properties in solving differential equations.
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Homework Statement



So I have two problems that ask me to separate variables:

1: du/dx * x(x+1) = u^2 u(1)=1

2: dy/dt=y(2-y) Initial condition y(0)=1

The Attempt at a Solution



For #1 i get each variable on one side and have integral(u^-2du)=integral(dx/x(x+1)
I use partial fractions to break up the x side, coefficient are 1 and -1. Now I have:
-1/u=ln(x/x+1) +C ==> u=-1/(ln(x)-ln(x+1)) + C. And evaluated at (1,1) C=ln2.

that would give us, u=-1/(ln(x)-ln(x+1)) + ln2, however the answer in my book gives u=-1/((ln2x/x+1)-1) I'm having trouble seeing where the minus one in the denominator comes from can someone show me an explanation?

For #2 i get integral(dy/y(2-y)) = integral(dt) I again use partial fractions to break up the y side, giving coefficients of 1/2. I'm left with 1/2(ln(y) + ln(2-y))=t. I'm having trouble isolating y on one side. I need a point in the right direction.

Thanks for the help!
 
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For both questions, playing around with the identities
ln(a) + ln(b) = ln(ab)
ln(a) - ln(b) = ln(a/b)
may be useful.
 
u=-1/(ln(x)-ln(x+1)) + C. And evaluated at (1,1) C=ln2.

I don't think this is true... by properties of logarithms we have
u = -1/(ln(x/x+1)) + C.
Evaluated at (1,1) C = 1 + 1/ln(1/2)
 
armolinasf said:

Homework Statement



So I have two problems that ask me to separate variables:

1: du/dx * x(x+1) = u^2 u(1)=1

2: dy/dt=y(2-y) Initial condition y(0)=1

The Attempt at a Solution



For #1 i get each variable on one side and have integral(u^-2du)=integral(dx/x(x+1)
I use partial fractions to break up the x side, coefficient are 1 and -1. Now I have:
-1/u=ln(x/x+1) +C ==> u=-1/(ln(x)-ln(x+1)) + C. And evaluated at (1,1) C=ln2.

that would give us, u=-1/(ln(x)-ln(x+1)) + ln2, however the answer in my book gives u=-1/((ln2x/x+1)-1) I'm having trouble seeing where the minus one in the denominator comes from can someone show me an explanation?

For #2 i get integral(dy/y(2-y)) = integral(dt) I again use partial fractions to break up the y side, giving coefficients of 1/2. I'm left with 1/2(ln(y) + ln(2-y))=t. I'm having trouble isolating y on one side. I need a point in the right direction.

Thanks for the help!

I didn't work #1, but maybe my help with #2 will help you with that one.

You have a sign error when you integrated the left side.
1/2 \int [1/y + 1/(2 - y)] dy = \int dt
\Rightarrow 1/2 [ ln|y| - ln|2 - y| ]= t + C

In the second integral on the left side you have \int dy/(2 - y). Use an ordinary substitution to evaluate this integral.

Since y(0) = 1, then C = 0.

Now, since y(0) = 1, when t is near 0, y is near 1, so that should tell you something about whether you can get rid of the absolute values for |y| and |2 - y|.
 
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