Differential geometry and hamiltonian dynamics

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical foundations of Hamiltonian dynamics, specifically focusing on the nature of isomorphisms between tangent and cotangent spaces, as well as the relationship between the invariance of the symplectic form and Liouville's theorem. The scope includes theoretical aspects of differential geometry and its application in Hamiltonian mechanics.

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  • One participant questions the nature of the isomorphism established by an inner product and a symplectic form between tangent and cotangent spaces.
  • Another participant explains that an inner product allows associating elements of cotangent space to tangent space via a defined relationship, and similarly for the symplectic form.
  • There is a discussion about the invariance of the symplectic form under Hamiltonian flux and its equivalence to the preservation of volume in phase space, with one participant noting that this is related to Liouville's theorem.
  • A later reply clarifies that the symplectic form is not identical to the volume form but that the Nth exterior power of the symplectic form is proportional to the volume form, suggesting a nuanced relationship between these concepts.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between the symplectic form and volume in phase space, indicating some level of disagreement. The discussion on the nature of the isomorphism also remains unresolved, with no consensus reached.

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Limitations include varying interpretations of Liouville's theorem and the specific definitions of symplectic forms and volume forms, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Hello everybody!

I'm currently attending lectures on Hamiltonian dynamics from a very mathematical viewpoint and I'm having trouble understanding two facts:

1. An inner product defined in every tangent space and a symplectic form both establish a natural isomorphism between tangent and contanget spaces. My question is: what is the nature of this isomorphism?

2. The relationship between the invariance of the symplectic form under a hamiltonian flux and the Liouville theorem.

Can someone help me out? Thanks a lot.
 
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luisgml_2000 said:
1. An inner product defined in every tangent space and a symplectic form both establish a natural isomorphism between tangent and contanget spaces. My question is: what is the nature of this isomorphism?

This is easiest to show using the inner product: Let \alpha be an element of the cotangent space, and v be an element of the tangent space. Say the tangent space has some inner product g(\cdot,\cdot). Then we can associate \alpha to some element A of the tangent space via

\alpha(u) = g(A,u)

for all vectors u. Using the symplectic form is similar; we just put

\alpha(u) = \omega(A,u)

for all vectors u.

2. The relationship between the invariance of the symplectic form under a hamiltonian flux and the Liouville theorem.

The symplectic form is simply the volume element in phase space. The invariance of the symplectic form under the action of the Hamiltonian is equivalent to saying the phase space "fluid" is incompressible; i.e., the infinitesimal bits of volume do not change in size. I can't say much more without knowing which variant of the Liouville theorem you're familiar with; sometimes, the Liouville theorem simply IS the statement that the symplectic form is invariant under Hamiltonian flows.
 
Ben Niehoff said:
I can't say much more without knowing which variant of the Liouville theorem you're familiar with.

The version of Liouville's theorem I'm familiar with is: a hamiltonian flux preserves volume in phase space.

One more thing: why a symplectic form is the volume in phase space?
 
I was slightly wrong; the symplectic form is not identical to the volume form. Rather, in a system of N coordinates and N momenta, the Nth exterior power of the symplectic form is proportional to the volume form. Hence if the symplectic form is invariant, the phase space volume must also be invariant.
 

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