Differentiation of exponential

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The problem involves differentiating the function y = x^(18x^-4), which is an exponential function with a variable base and exponent. Participants are exploring differentiation techniques, particularly in the context of applying the chain rule and logarithmic differentiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the chain rule and logarithmic differentiation, questioning the application of certain differentiation formulas when the base is not constant. There are attempts to rewrite the function and apply implicit differentiation, with some participants expressing confusion over the correctness of their approaches.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and seeking further guidance. Some have received feedback on their differentiation steps, indicating that there is a productive exchange of ideas, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of using differentiation rules that apply to constants versus variables. There is also mention of a computer program providing feedback on their solutions, which may influence their understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement



y = x^(18x^-4)

Homework Equations



chain rule
dy/dx a^x = a^x ln a

The Attempt at a Solution


first i used the second equation from above to get
x^(18/x^4)*ln(x)
then i use the chain rule to get
x^(18/x^4)*ln(x)*(-72x^-5)
the computer program i am using is saying this is wrong and the only thing i can think of that is wrong is the fact I may not be able to use the one formula since x is not a constant but if this is true then i have no idea what to do
 
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Try taking the log of both sides and using implicit differentiation.
 
alright so then i should get
ln y = ln (x^(18/x^4))
1/y = 18/x^4 ln x
= y 18/x^4*1/x
= y 18/x^5
= x^(18/x^4)*18/x^5
?
 
well the computer told me that solution is wrong also so any other advice would be helpful
 
dy/dx a^x = a^x ln a

This is only true if a is a constant! Do you know how to differentiate xx? Hint: Try writing it as ef(x) for some function f(x). The same technique can be applied here.

It doesn't look like you took the derivative of the right hand side in your other post correctly
 
does this look right
ln y= 18/x^4 ln x
1/y= 18/x^5 + -72x^-5 ln x
= y 18/x^5 + -72x^-5 ln x
then just plug in y ?
 
chaslltt said:
does this look right
ln y= 18/x^4 ln x
1/y= 18/x^5 + -72x^-5 ln x
= y 18/x^5 + -72x^-5 ln x
then just plug in y ?
yep!
 
chaslltt said:
does this look right
ln y= 18/x^4 ln x
1/y= 18/x^5 + -72x^-5 ln x
You've forgotten the "dy/dx"!

= y 18/x^5 + -72x^-5 ln x
and what is this equal to?

then just plug in y ?
If ln y= (18/x^4)ln(x)
then [iitex](1/y)(dy/dx)= (18/x^5) -72x^{-5}ln x[/itex]
Now solve for dy/dx by multiplying both sides by y.
You might not be required to substitute for y. It depends on exactly what is wanted.
 

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