Differentiation under integral sign

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The discussion centers on finding formulas for the indefinite integrals $\displaystyle\int x^n\sin(x)\, dx$ and $\displaystyle\int x^n\cos(x)\, dx$ for $n=1,2,3,4$ using the technique of differentiation under the integral sign, starting from known integral formulas for $\cos(tx)$ and $\sin(tx)$. Participants explore methods of solving these integrals, including differentiation under the integral sign and integration by parts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to solve the integrals using differentiation under the integral sign and suggests using integration by parts instead.
  • Another participant suggests differentiating both sides of the known integral formulas with respect to $t$ and then setting $t=1$ as a method to derive the integrals.
  • A later reply confirms that they solved the integrals using both differentiation under the integral sign and integration by parts, providing a specific example for $n=4$.
  • Another participant reiterates the suggestion to differentiate the known integral formulas with respect to $t$ multiple times to derive the necessary integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of using differentiation under the integral sign versus integration by parts. Some participants advocate for the former, while others suggest that the latter is sufficient.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the technique of differentiation under the integral sign, and there are unresolved questions about the application of this method to the specific integrals in question.

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Hello,

How to find formulas for these$\displaystyle\int x^n\sin(x)\, dx, \displaystyle\int x^n\cos(x)\, dx,$ indefinite integrals when $n=1,2,3,4$ using differentiation under the integral sign starting with the formulas

$$\displaystyle\int \cos(tx)\,dx = \frac{\sin(tx)}{t}, \displaystyle\int \sin(tx)\,dx= -\frac{\cos(tx)}{t}$$ for $t > 0.$

I don't have any idea to solve these indefinite integrals except to solve them recursively using integration by parts.
 
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You are required to use "differentiation" under the integral? These can be done directly using "integration by parts".
 
See what happens when you differentiate both sides of those relations with respect to $t$ and then set $t=1$.
 
MountEvariste said:
See what happens when you differentiate both sides of those relations with respect to $t$ and then set $t=1$.

Hello,
I solved the two indefinate integrals using differentiation under integral sign as well as using integration by parts. Under these both method i got the correct answers. For example if we put n=4,the integral to be solved becomes $\displaystyle\int x^4\sin{(tx)}dx =\frac{(4x^3t^3-24tx)*\sin{(tx)}+(-x^4t^4+12x^2t^2-24)*\cos{(tx)}}{t^5}$

Now if we put t=1, the answer will become $(4x^3-24x)*\sin{(x)}+(-x^4+12x^2-24)*\cos{(x)}$

Now how to derive the formula for $\displaystyle\int x^4\sin{(x)}dx?$

In other cases where n=1,2,3, similar problem will persist.
 
Dhamnekar Winod said:
In other cases where n=1,2,3, similar problem will persist.
Perhaps you've figured it out by now, but I don't see any differentiation under integral sign.

$$\displaystyle\int \cos(tx)\,dx = \frac{\sin(tx)}{t}, \displaystyle\int \sin(tx)\,dx= -\frac{\cos(tx)}{t}$$ for $t > 0.$
In these two equalities, differentiate both the RHS and the LHS with respect to $t$. Adjust for constant. Do it again, and again. You'll get all of them.
 

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