Differentiation with square roots

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivatives of two functions involving square roots, specifically focusing on the discrepancies between participants' answers and those provided in a textbook. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and derivative calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their derivatives for the functions \(f(x)=(\sqrt{x}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}})^{10}\) and \(g(x)=\frac{\sqrt{x}}{\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x-1}}\), noting that their results differ from the textbook.
  • Another participant provides a derivative for \(f(x)\) using the power and chain rules, arriving at a form that simplifies to match the textbook's answer.
  • A third participant rationalizes the denominator of \(g(x)\) before differentiating, leading to a derivative that also aligns with the textbook's result.
  • A fourth participant suggests rationalizing \(f(x)\) before differentiation, which they argue simplifies the process and yields the same derivative as the others.

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Participants express differing methods and results for the derivatives, with no consensus on the correctness of the original participant's answers compared to the textbook. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach to differentiate the functions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' methods involve rationalizing expressions, while others use direct differentiation techniques. The discussion highlights various algebraic manipulations and assumptions that may affect the outcomes.

Yankel
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Hello all,

I was trying to find derivatives of two functions containing square roots. I got answers which I believe should be correct, however, the answers in the book differ significantly. The first answer of mine was checked in MAPLE and found correct. My guess that the author made some algebraic manipulations but I can't seem to track it down and get to the same result. Can you kindly take a look ?

The functions are:

\[f(x)=(\sqrt{x}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}})^{10}\]

\[g(x)=\frac{\sqrt{x}}{\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x-1}}\]

My answers:

\[f'(x)=5\cdot (\sqrt{x}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}})^{9}\cdot (\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^{3}}})\]

\[g'(x)=\frac{\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}}\cdot (\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x-1})-\sqrt{x}(\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}}-\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x-1}})}{(\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x-1})^{2}}\]Books answers:

\[f'(x)=\frac{5\cdot (x+1)^{9}\cdot (x-1)}{x^{6}}\]

\[g'(x)=1+\frac{2x-1}{2\sqrt{x^{2}-x}}\]Thank you !
 
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For the first function:

$$f(x)=\left(x^{\Large\frac{1}{2}}+x^{-\Large\frac{1}{2}}\right)^{10}$$

Using the power and chain rules, I get:

$$f'(x)=10\left(x^{\Large\frac{1}{2}}+x^{-\Large\frac{1}{2}}\right)^{9}\left(\frac{1}{2}x^{-\Large\frac{1}{2}}-\frac{1}{2}x^{-\Large\frac{3}{2}}\right)$$

Factor:

$$f'(x)=5x^{-\Large\frac{3}{2}}(x-1)\left(x^{\Large\frac{1}{2}}+x^{-\Large\frac{1}{2}}\right)^{9}$$

Now, we can write:

$$f'(x)=5x^{-\Large\frac{3}{2}}(x-1)\left(\frac{x+1}{\sqrt{x}}\right)^{9}$$

$$f'(x)=5x^{-6}(x-1)(x+1)^9=\frac{5(x-1)(x+1)^9}{x^6}$$
 
For the second function, let's rationalize the denominator before differentiating:

$$g(x)=\frac{\sqrt{x}}{\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{x-1}}\cdot\frac{\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{x-1}}{\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{x-1}}=x+\sqrt{x^2-x}$$

So, then:

$$g'(x)=1+\frac{2x-1}{2\sqrt{x^2-x}}$$
 
Yankel said:
\[f(x)=(\sqrt{x}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}})^{10}\]

For the first function it also makes sense to rationalize first:
\[f(x)=\left(\frac{x}{\sqrt{x}}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}\right)^{10}
=\left(\frac{x+1}{\sqrt{x}}\right)^{10}
=\frac{(x+1)^{10}}{x^{5}}\]
making it a bit easier to find the derivative.

We can do the same rationalization afterwards giving the same result.
 

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