Difficult relative velocity problem

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The problem involves a helicopter flying south for a duration of 0.75 hours, with a wind affecting its trajectory, resulting in a displacement of 30 km in a southwesterly direction. The helicopter's speed relative to the ground is given as 50 km/h, and the task is to determine the wind's direction and speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formation of triangles based on speed and distance, questioning the relationship between the angles and the resulting proportions. There is a focus on the implications of the helicopter's displacement and the angle between directions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the geometric relationships in the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the angles involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the assumptions being made about the angle of 45 degrees.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of determining the angle without assuming it to be 45 degrees, highlighting the complexity of the similar triangles involved in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



A helicopter velocity relative to the ground is flying south for exactly .75hours. A wind blows and the helicopter ends up 30 Km in a southwesterly position away from her starting point. the helicopter speed relative to the ground is 50km/hour. What is the direction and the speed of the wind?

Homework Equations



Vhg + Vwg = Vha

d1 + d2 = d3

Speed x time = distance

Law of cosines
Law of sines

The Attempt at a Solution



I've gotten to this point without using matrices and without using polar vector coordinates.

Two triangles seem to appear similar when there are no units...however they are not.

One triangle was formed from using just speeds.
40 km/hour = Speed of helicopter relative to air
50 km/hour = speed of helicopter relative to ground
W = speed of wind relative to the ground

Another triangle was formed from using just distances
37.5 km = distance to the south
30 km = distance to the southwest

D = distance in the direction of the wind

There is a multiple of .75 hours from speed of wind to the distance traveled in direction of the wind.

The two triangles form a proportion of 4/5. THIS PROPORTIONALITY IS DIFFERENT FROM .75 !

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If the picture is right you have two lengths and an angle. See,
 

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Spinnor said:
If the picture is right you have two lengths and an angle. See,

Yes! How'd you know the angle is 45 degrees??
 
You wrote,

"A wind blows and the helicopter ends up 30 Km in a southwesterly position away from her starting point. "

The angle between the south and southwest directions is 45 degrees.
 
Southwesterly is not sufficient to concluding 45 degrees. There is a way to figure it out without assuming 45 degrees. I just don't know how to do it due to the weird similar triangles I get.

But the angle does turn out to be 45 degrees
 

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