Difficult relative velocity problem

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The problem involves a helicopter flying south for 0.75 hours at a ground speed of 50 km/h, ending up 30 km southwest from its starting point due to wind. The discussion highlights the formation of two triangles: one based on speeds and the other on distances, revealing a proportional relationship. The angle between the south and southwest directions is debated, with a consensus that it is 45 degrees, although some participants seek a method to confirm this without assumptions. The challenge lies in calculating the wind's speed and direction using the established relationships. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of visualizing the problem and the need for clarity in the triangle relationships.
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Homework Statement



A helicopter velocity relative to the ground is flying south for exactly .75hours. A wind blows and the helicopter ends up 30 Km in a southwesterly position away from her starting point. the helicopter speed relative to the ground is 50km/hour. What is the direction and the speed of the wind?

Homework Equations



Vhg + Vwg = Vha

d1 + d2 = d3

Speed x time = distance

Law of cosines
Law of sines

The Attempt at a Solution



I've gotten to this point without using matrices and without using polar vector coordinates.

Two triangles seem to appear similar when there are no units...however they are not.

One triangle was formed from using just speeds.
40 km/hour = Speed of helicopter relative to air
50 km/hour = speed of helicopter relative to ground
W = speed of wind relative to the ground

Another triangle was formed from using just distances
37.5 km = distance to the south
30 km = distance to the southwest

D = distance in the direction of the wind

There is a multiple of .75 hours from speed of wind to the distance traveled in direction of the wind.

The two triangles form a proportion of 4/5. THIS PROPORTIONALITY IS DIFFERENT FROM .75 !

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Spinnor said:
If the picture is right you have two lengths and an angle. See,

Yes! How'd you know the angle is 45 degrees??
 
You wrote,

"A wind blows and the helicopter ends up 30 Km in a southwesterly position away from her starting point. "

The angle between the south and southwest directions is 45 degrees.
 
Southwesterly is not sufficient to concluding 45 degrees. There is a way to figure it out without assuming 45 degrees. I just don't know how to do it due to the weird similar triangles I get.

But the angle does turn out to be 45 degrees
 
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