Dimension of the solution space for Ax=0

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The discussion revolves around determining the dimension of the solution space for the equation Ax=0, where A is a 2x3 matrix. Participants explore concepts related to linear transformations, rank, and nullity within the context of vector spaces.

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  • Participants question the relationship between rank and nullity, with some attempting to derive the nullity from given equations. There is discussion about the implications of the rank being 2 and how it relates to the dimension of the solution space.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the nullity based on the rank of the matrix. Some participants provide reasoning and examples to support their claims, while others seek clarification on the definitions and relationships involved. There is acknowledgment of differing views on the dimensions of the spaces involved.

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Participants reference a specific example from a textbook and discuss the implications of the number of rows and columns in relation to rank and nullity. There is an indication of confusion regarding the dimensions of the domain and range spaces.

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Find the dimension of the solution space of Ax=0, where
A=1 2 5
-1 3 1

is the rank(A)=2
so the nullity(A)=2?
is this correct?
 
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If A is a linear transformation from vector space U to vector space V, then range(A)+ nullity(A)= dimension of U. Here, A is from R3 to R2. Yes, the rank of A is 2. No, the nullity of A is not 2 also.

You could just as well do this directly: if x+ 2y+ 5z= 0 and -x+ 2y+ z= 0, then, adding the equations, you must also have 4y+ 6z= 0 or z= (2/3)y. You can pick y to be anything you like and then calculate both x and z. What does that tell you about the nullity?
 
so the nullity(A)=1?
 
Read HallsofIvy's post again... if rank(A)=2, and rank(A)+nullity(A)=2, what does nullity(A) equal?
 
so your saying n=2? i thought it was 3. n is always the number of rows?
 
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//the last blury part is "Furthermore, rank of the matrix is 2,"

This is an example from my book. When I reduce A i get
1 0 13/5
0 1 6/5so according to the example in the book
my rank would be 2
and nullity would be 1
with n=3
Is this wrong?
 
Yes, that is correct.
 
just to make sure, what Office_Shredder said was wrong?
 
Yes, I believe he confused the dimension of the domain and range spaces.

At any rate, as I also pointed out, you could find the nullity directly:
" if x+ 2y+ 5z= 0 and -x+ 2y+ z= 0, then, adding the equations, you must also have 4y+ 6z= 0 or z= (2/3)y. You can pick y to be anything you like and then calculate both x and z. "

Since you can pick one number arbitrarily, the kernel has dimension 1.
 
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great thanks [solved]
 
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I apologize, I can't read :/
 

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