Dimensional Analysis: Separating Fact from Fiction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the validity of equations based on dimensional analysis, specifically exploring whether dimensionally correct or incorrect equations can be deemed true or false. Participants examine various possibilities regarding the implications of dimensional correctness in physical equations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a dimensionally correct equation may still be incorrect, while others argue that a dimensionally incorrect equation must be wrong.
  • One participant suggests that while a dimensionally correct equation may be correct, it does not guarantee correctness, and similarly, a dimensionally incorrect equation does not necessarily imply it is false.
  • Another participant asserts that physical quantities must be commensurable when added or compared, indicating that mixing dimensions leads to errors.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate that dimensionally correct equations can be physically incorrect, such as the equation \(\vec{F} = 2m\vec{a}\).
  • A later reply questions the definition of units, suggesting that the validity of a dimensionally correct equation can depend on how units are defined.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of dimensional correctness, with no consensus reached on which specific statements are universally true or false.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of definitions in dimensional analysis and the potential for ambiguity in interpreting physical equations.

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I understand the concept of dimensional analysis and what it's used for etc..My question refers to a dimensionally correct or incorrect equation being true or false. Here are the possiblities:

1. A dimensionally correct equation may be correct.
2. A dimensionally incorrect equation may be correct.
3. A dimensionally correct equation must be correct.
4. A dimensionally incorrect equation must be wrong.
5. A dimensionally correct equation may be wrong.

I think all but #3 and #4 are true, but I may be wrong. Any takers?
 
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1 and 5 do not conflict. 2 and 4 do conflict as do 3 and 5. i would disagree with you about 2 and 4. i think 2 is wrong and 4 is correct. so i think that 1, 4, and 5 are correct. 2 and 3 are incorrect.

physical quantities that are added, subtracted, equated, or compared need to be commensurable. if you discover that you are adding apples to oranges, then it's time to stop and look for a previous mistake.
 
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1. True
2. False
3. False
4. True
5. True

4 is true for the same reason that 2 is false. If you have a dimensionally incorrect equation then you are saying at some level that a physical unit equals a pure number. An expression like "1 m = 23.43" is never true.

EDIT: I agree with rbj who was faster on the post!
 
Thanks for the explanation you two, it makes sense! I thought a dimensionally correct eqn had to be correct but I now see why that's not true. Thanks again!
 
As an example, one can easily construct equations which are dimensionally correct, but not physically correct, such as

[tex]\vec{F} = 2m\vec{a}[/tex]
 
Ben Niehoff said:
As an example, one can easily construct equations which are dimensionally correct, but not physically correct, such as

[tex]\vec{F} = 2m\vec{a}[/tex]

well, if you define a Newton of force to be the force needed to accelerate 1/2 kg of mass by 1 m/s2, then it would be correct. but it's a dumb definition for the unit force.
 

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