Diode Questions - (I just don't get it)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of a diode in a circuit with both DC and AC components, specifically focusing on the role of capacitors in blocking DC current while allowing AC signals to pass. Participants seek clarification on the small-signal model of the diode and the implications of capacitor behavior in the analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the circuit and the role of capacitors in blocking DC current, questioning whether the capacitors can be ignored in the analysis.
  • Another participant asks about the impedance of a capacitor at zero frequency and seeks definitions for terms like n and V_T, which are not defined in the original question.
  • A participant explains that the impedance of a capacitor approaches infinity as frequency approaches zero, effectively making it an open circuit.
  • Some participants clarify that V_T is the thermal voltage and n is a factor related to diode characteristics, with values typically between 1 and 2 depending on the diode type.
  • One participant suggests beginning with DC analysis, stating that the DC current is blocked by the capacitors, which leads to a specific small-signal resistance for the diode.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on why capacitors can be treated as shorted in AC analysis and why the DC current source is deactivated during this process.
  • A participant explains that large capacitance allows capacitors to act like shorts in AC analysis, reinforcing the concept of coupling capacitors.
  • Several participants express gratitude for the explanations and seek further clarification on the concept of coupling capacitors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to separate DC and AC analyses in circuits with both components, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the treatment of capacitors and the specifics of the small-signal model. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the assumptions about capacitor behavior depend on their capacitance values and the frequency of operation, which may not be explicitly defined in the original question.

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In the circut below, [itex]I[/itex] is a dc current and [itex]v_s[/itex] is a sinusoidal signal. capacitors [itex]C_1[/itex] and [itex]C_2[/itex] are very large; their function is to couple the signal to and from the diode, but block the dc current from flowing into the signal source or the load (not shown). Use the diode small-signal model to show that the signal component of hte output voltage is:
[tex]v_0 = v_s \frac{nV_T}{nV_T + IR_s}[/tex]
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I really do not know what to do here. I need a hint of some sort, cause I'm lost. I'm thinking that the capacitors will go away, but I don't know if that's right... and I don't know why that is the case.

How are the capacitors blocking the dc current from flowing into the signal source?

I don't understand this circuit!

Thanks in advance!
 
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What is the impedance of a capacitor at frequency f=0?

PS: What do the terms n and V_T refer to? There's no mention of them in the body of the question.
 
Gokul43201 said:
What is the impedance of a capacitor at frequency f=0?

PS: What do the terms n and V_T refer to? There's no mention of them in the body of the question.

Impedence of a capacitor is [itex]\frac{1}{j\omega C}[/itex], as the frequency drops to zero, the capacitor becomes an open circuit.

Sorry for not defining n, and V_T. I wasn't sure if it was a standard or not. They are characteristics of the books model for a semiconductor junction diode.

[tex]V_T[/tex] is the thermal voltage
[tex]V_T = \frac{kT}{q}[/tex]
k, boltzmann's constant
T, absolute temperature
q, magnitude of electronic charge

[tex]n[/tex] has a value between 1 and 2.
Diodes using the standard integratedcircuit fabrication process exhibit n=1 when operated under normal conditions. Diodes available as discrete two-terminal components generally exhibit n=2.
 
Begin with the dc analysis. The dc current I is blocked from flowing back to the source or to the output due to the capacitors. Thus its only path is to flow through the diode. This gives, rd = n*VT/I as the small-signal resistance of the diode.

Then, proceed with the small-signal (ac) analysis. In this part, you can assume that the capacitors are shorted and the dc current source opened (deactivated). It should then be easy to derive the output (ac) voltage with respect to the supply voltage.
 
doodle said:
Begin with the dc analysis. The dc current I is blocked from flowing back to the source or to the output due to the capacitors. Thus its only path is to flow through the diode. This gives, rd = n*VT/I as the small-signal resistance of the diode.

Then, proceed with the small-signal (ac) analysis. In this part, you can assume that the capacitors are shorted and the dc current source opened (deactivated). It should then be easy to derive the output (ac) voltage with respect to the supply voltage.

Let me run this by you, to see if I'm understanding this properly.

When we first find [itex]I_D[/itex], with the DC analysis, we set the frequency to 0. This opens the capacitors, and the DC current flows fully across the diode, thus giving [itex]I_D[/itex] as you said. This makes sense :) thank you.

Now, we replace the diode with rd right? So why is it that we can assume that the capacitors are shorted? I don't undrstand this. Why is the DC current source also deactivated?

I see if I short the capacitors, and deactive the current how to get the output voltage. I don't understand why this is happening.
 
The general approach to solving circuits having both dc and ac components is to separate the analysis for the dc and ac parts. Thereafter, you will use superposition to sum up the dc and ac responses. Separating the dc and ac analyses invariably requires all ac sources to be deactivated in dc analysis, and vice versa. This explains...
FrogPad said:
Why is the DC current source also deactivated?

As for...
FrogPad said:
Now, we replace the diode with rd right? So why is it that we can assume that the capacitors are shorted? I don't undrstand this.
If the capacitance of capacitors is big enough, they will act like shorts. Recall that the impedance of capacitors is, after all, inversely proportional to its capacitance. Furthermore, as the capacitors used in the circuit are explicitly labelled as coupling capacitors, it should be safe to regard them as shorts in the ac analysis.
 
doodle said:
The general approach to solving circuits having both dc and ac components is to separate the analysis for the dc and ac parts. Thereafter, you will use superposition to sum up the dc and ac responses. Separating the dc and ac analyses invariably requires all ac sources to be deactivated in dc analysis, and vice versa. This explains...


As for...

If the capacitance of capacitors is big enough, they will act like shorts. Recall that the impedance of capacitors is, after all, inversely proportional to its capacitance. Furthermore, as the capacitors used in the circuit are explicitly labelled as coupling capacitors, it should be safe to regard them as shorts in the ac analysis.

thank you so much man:approve:! It's friggen nice to actually understand something. Well, while I'm at it. What are coupling capacitors?
 
FrogPad said:
What are coupling capacitors?
Looking up in Wikipedia, I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupling_capacitor"
 
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doodle said:
Looking up in Wikipedia, I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupling_capacitor"

wow I feel like a jack a$$ :blushing:

I guess I could have typed "coupling capacitor" in google :wink:


I really appreicate the help man. thankyou!
 
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