Calculating Robert Zubrin's Dipole Drive Mass Flow

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The discussion revolves around the calculations presented by Robert Zubrin regarding the mass flow of protons in his Dipole Drive concept. Participants are examining the derivation of the mass flow rate of 0.0652 mg/s based on given parameters such as power and voltage, and whether the calculations are accurate or contain errors.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how Zubrin derived the mass flow of 0.0652 mg/s from the given power and voltage.
  • Another participant suggests that the calculation is straightforward, involving the conversion of power and voltage to current, and then to charge per second.
  • Some participants argue that the calculation of mass flow based on a current of 6.25 A should yield 0.06875 mg/s, indicating a potential error in Zubrin's figures.
  • There is a mention of possible rounding issues, with one participant noting that the mass of a Coulomb of protons might be more accurately represented as 10.4 µg rather than 11 µg.
  • Another participant confirms the calculation of 0.06524803 mg/s using the more precise mass value, questioning why Zubrin rounded it to 0.011 mg.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the accuracy of Zubrin's calculations, with multiple competing views on the correct mass flow rate based on the current and mass of protons. The discussion remains unresolved as participants have not reached a consensus on the validity of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the calculations due to rounding and the assumptions made regarding the mass of protons. There is also uncertainty about whether the discrepancies arise from typographical errors or more complex considerations not fully explored in the discussion.

Sebastiaan
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I'm trying to understand calculation made Robert Zubrin in his presentation on Dipole Drive

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In here he made the following statement

"A Coulomb of protons has a mass of 0.011 milligrams. If the jet power is 400 W, and the potential difference is 64 V, so the proton current will be 6.25 A, and have a mass flow of 0.0652 mg/s"

My question is, how did he derive to "a mass flow of 0.0652 mg/s"?
 
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Sebastiaan said:
My question is, how did he derive to "a mass flow of 0.0652 mg/s"?
I haven't checked to see if the calculation is right, but the idea is pretty simple. We're given the power and the voltage, so can calculate the current, and hence the amount of charge per second.

Be aware that getting this calculation right doesn't necessarily validate the rest of the video.
 
Nugatory said:
I haven't checked to see if the calculation is right, but the idea is pretty simple. We're given the power and the voltage, so can calculate the current, and hence the amount of charge per second.
If the obvious computation is used then the maths, at least as reproduced by Sebastiaan, is wrong. A current of 6.25A is 6.25C/s. The given mass of a Coulomb of protons is 0.011mg, which means 6.25×0.011 mg/s, which I make 0.06875 mg/s.

Either there's a typo or there's something more sophisticated going on that I can't think of right now (I can't watch the video at the moment).
 
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The 11µg are probably the result of poor rounding, the actual value is 10.4 µg and multiplied by 6.25 we get 65.25 µg.

Edit: Oops, µg.
 
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That's 10.4 µg.
 
Ibix said:
If the obvious computation is used then the maths, at least as reproduced by Sebastiaan, is wrong. A current of 6.25A is 6.25C/s. The given mass of a Coulomb of protons is 0.011mg, which means 6.25×0.011 mg/s, which I make 0.06875 mg/s.
That exactly what I though. So I though I was missing something
 
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mfb said:
The 11µg are probably the result of poor rounding, the actual value is 10.4 µg and multiplied by 6.25 we get 65.25 µg.
Edit: Oops, µg.
I guess you mean 0.0104396 mg * 6.25 A = 0.06524803 mg/s. Thanks, now it makes sense

Still the question why did he round 0.0104396 down to 0.011 ? Seems to me this is a mistake which will result in confusion
 
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