Is There a Software for Designing Simple Antenna Systems?

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The discussion revolves around the design and analysis of simple antenna systems, specifically focusing on the characteristics and performance of folded dipoles compared to standard dipoles. Participants explore concepts such as radiation resistance, power output, impedance matching, and the effects of different signal waveforms on antenna performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the advantages of a folded dipole, particularly regarding its radiation resistance and output power compared to a standard dipole.
  • One participant asserts that radiation resistance does not affect power if the antenna is properly matched to the transmission line.
  • Another participant presents calculations showing differing output power for a dipole and a folded dipole, suggesting that the output power is not the same, and seeks clarification on this point.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of impedance matching, stating that a 300 ohm antenna requires a matching network to achieve maximum power transfer from a source with a different impedance.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of using sine waves for driving antennas, with concerns raised about using other waveforms that could introduce additional frequencies.
  • One participant requests recommendations for software that can assist in designing antenna systems and analyzing output data, expressing a need for tools that can simulate various parameters and their effects on antenna performance.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between radiation resistance, impedance matching, and output power. There is no consensus on the calculations presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of using different signal waveforms.

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Limitations include assumptions about impedance matching and the effects of different signal types on antenna performance, which have not been fully explored or resolved in the discussion.

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Individuals interested in antenna design, RF engineering, and those seeking software tools for antenna analysis may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi,

What is the advantage to have a folded dipole? Well, the radiation pattern, the output power are the same? Except for the radiation resistance, but I don't understant, the resistance is 4 time the dipole so, why the output power is the same?

Thanks,

Mica
 
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Radiation resistance does NOT affect power if you match the antenna to the transmission line properly.
 
Maybe I'm missing something. Just a simple calcule,

Input let's say , V = 100 volts

V = Z*I

at resonnance, Zdipole = 73 ohm

Idipole = 1.36 A

For folded dipole, Zfolded = 300 ohm

Ifolded = 0.33 A

Output power,

P = 1/2 *Z*I*I

Dipole

P = 1/2 * 73* 1.36 *1.36 = 67.51 W

Folded dipole

P = 1/2 * 300* 0.33*.033 = 16.34 W

So, the output power is not hte same. Can you explain?

Thanks for your help.

Mica
 
I said properly matched. Matching a 300 ohm antenna to a source other than that impedance is not a proper match.

You are assuming a voltage source is driving the antenna. This is not really the case. It can be pictured as an ideal voltage source with a resistor in series with it. The series resistor is the output impedance of the source. Maximum power transfer exists only when the source and load have the same impedance. Do the math. You seem to understand ohms law so I think you can handle it. So you want drive a 300 ohm load and radiate the same power as a 73 ohm load? Well, it requires a matching network of some sort at the load. An impedance transforming device. A 4 to 1 balun transformer would work for a 300 ohm antenna and a 75 ohm source.
 
Why I cann't drive my antenna directly from the source? For example, if I have a dipole which it resonne at 1.5 GHz, let's say perfect match, so the frequency of my generator should by 1.5 GHz? The duration of my impluse should by 66 nano second (1/1.5 GHz) ? It doesn't matter the output of the wave of the generator (a square, rectangluar, sine wave form )? The important thing is the generator (voltage source) has the same frequency?

Thanks,
Mica
 
Hold it. Let's just stick to sine waves for now. If you start throwing in square and whatnot you are driving the antenna with other frequencies besides the fundamental 1.5 GHz you have selected.

I am pretty sure you have not done the math I asked you to do. Not only that, just because the antenna is cut to resonate at the frequency your generator is putting out does not mean it is properly matched to the transmission line and generator.

Two basic things are required for maximum power transfer into an antenna. They have both been mentioned.

1) The antenna must be resonant at the frequency of the generator. At resonance, the antenna 'appears' to the source to be a single resistor.

2) At resonance, the 'resistance' (you have referred to it as radiation resistance and I believe that is correct terminology) that is presented to the generator as a load must be the same as the output impedance of the genearator and must be the same as the characteristic impedance of the transmission line.
 
Thanks, this is clear. Does exist a software which I can design simple antenna system i.e. changing parameters of the generator, transmission line and see the output of the antenna system? It doesn't need to be in one software, severval softwares will be fine. Right now, I'am using NECWIN95 for antenna radiation plot. I need a software to analyse the output data of the generator ( if a give a square wave form, the output will be the resonance frequency of the generator, amplitudes,and other useful information for the design of the antenna), any suggestions?

Thanks again,
Mica
 

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