Direct Integration vs. Green's Theorem

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The problem involves evaluating the integral ##\int_R (x-y)dx \ dy## over the region defined by ##R=\{(x,y):x^2+y^2 \geq 1; y \geq 0\}## using both direct integration and Green's theorem. Participants express confusion regarding the definition of the region and the limits of integration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct interpretation of the region R and the limits for the double integral. There is uncertainty about whether the region should be defined by ##x^2+y^2 \leq 1## instead. Questions arise about the application of Green's theorem and the transition from a double integral to a line integral.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the application of Green's theorem, suggesting the need to express the double integral as a line integral over the boundary of the region. There is acknowledgment of errors in previous attempts, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential typos in the problem statement regarding the definition of the region R. There is also mention of confusion surrounding the expected sign of the integral result.

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Problem:

##\int_R (x-y)dx \ dy=-2/3 ## for ##R=\{(x,y):x^2+y^2 \geq 1; y \geq 0\}## by

a.) Direction integration,

b.) Green's theorem.

Attempt at a Solution:

I'm a little confused with part a. Wouldn't the region R be defined by all the points above the y-axis that lie on, in addition to above, the circle of radius 1 centered at the origin?

I'm confused on what the limits of integration would be for the integral ##\iint (x-y) dx \ dy##.
 
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I'm sure that's a typo. It probably should be ##x^2+y^2 \le 1##.
 
vela said:
I'm sure that's a typo. It probably should be ##x^2+y^2 \le 1##.

So by direct integration I have,

[tex]\int_{-1}^{1} \int_{0}^{\sqrt{1-x^2}}(x-y) dy \ dx = 2/3[/tex] Is it supposed to be negative?
 
You made a mistake somewhere. It is -2/3 rather than +2/3.
 
Dang. My limits are correct, yes?

Also, how could I apply Green's theorem. I thought the idea was to change a line integral into a double integral, right?

EDIT: Never mind, it was an error on my part. Still not sure how to apply Green's theorem.
 
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Well, you have a double integral. You want to change it into a line integral.
 
vela said:
Well, you have a double integral. You want to change it into a line integral.

So it'd just be a line integral over the boundary of the region, correct?

Since Green's theorem in a plane is given by [tex]\iint_R (\frac{\partial F_2}{\partial x} - \frac{\partial F_1}{\partial y})dx \ dy \ =\oint_C (F_1 dx +F_2 dy)[/tex]

for this specific problem we'd have ##\frac{\partial F_2}{\partial x}=x## and ##\frac{\partial F_1}{\partial y}=y##.

Thus, ##F_1=\frac{1}{2}y^2## and ##F_2=\frac{1}{2}x^2##. Right?
 
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Looks good.
 

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