Directional Derivative Question

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The discussion revolves around the concept of directional derivatives in the context of functions from ℝn to ℝ. The original poster presents a statement regarding the impossibility of a function having positive directional derivatives for all nonzero vectors at a specific point.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the directional derivative being positive for all nonzero vectors and question the validity of the original statement. Some suggest examining the behavior of the derivative along both a vector and its negative.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants expressing uncertainty about the original problem statement and its implications. Some have provided counterexamples to challenge the assertion made by the original poster, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the ordering of vectors and the interpretation of the directional derivative, as well as the original poster's reference to the source of the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



There exists no function f: ℝn \rightarrow ℝ so that for some point a \in ℝn, we have Dvf(a) > 0 for all nonzero vectors v \in ℝn.

2. The attempt at a solution

No quite sure where to go with this one, any help would be great!
 
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Consider the derivative along some v and along -v.
 
Right, so that'd be D and -D as -v is multiplied by the scalar -1. Would it be possible for somebody to restate the question? I'm not sure I understand what it's asking.
 
Well, its your question! How can someone else tell you what you are asking. You have probably copied it incorrectly because, as given, it makes no sense. You say "Dv(a)> 0" but you cannot "order" a vector space so it also makes no sense to say that a vector is "larger" than the 0 vector.
 
Yes, it is my question, and it is also copied verbatim from our book. And this question is not listed under the list of errors for the book, so I'm sorry if it seems wrong, but I have a strong feeling knowing my professor (who authored the book) that it is indeed accurate.
 
Nevermind, I just thought about that v, -v statement. Thanks voko!
 
dr721 said:

Homework Statement



There exists no function f: ℝn \rightarrow ℝ so that for some point a \in ℝn, we have Dvf(a) > 0 for all nonzero vectors v \in ℝn.

2. The attempt at a solution

No quite sure where to go with this one, any help would be great!

The statement is false as written, assuming that Dvf(a) means the directional derivative of f at a in direction v. A simple 1-dimensional counterexample is f(x) = |x|, whose directional derivative at x = 0 is +1 in both directions +1 and -1. (Of course, |x| is not differentiable at x = 0, but it _does_ have directional derivatives there.) A 2-dimensional counterexample is f(x,y) = √(x2+y2). Again, this has positive directional derivatives at (x,y) = (0,0), but is not a differentiable function there. Are you sure you have stated the problem correctly?

RGV
 
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