Discover the Role of Electrodes in EKGs with an Experienced Technician

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of electrodes in electrocardiograms (EKGs), specifically focusing on what electrical signals the electrodes detect and the nature of the particles involved in these signals. Participants explore the underlying electrical activity of the heart and the mechanisms by which EKGs capture this activity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, an EKG technician, seeks clarification on what subatomic particles are involved in the electrical signals measured by electrodes during an EKG.
  • Another participant explains that EKG machines measure small electrical potentials and that the electrodes capture voltage variations from the heart's electrical activity.
  • It is noted that the "subatomic particles" in question are electrons, which do not move far but contribute to the voltage variations detected by the electrodes.
  • A further elaboration mentions that the resting membrane potential of heart muscle cells is influenced by ionic concentrations and conductances across the cell membrane, particularly highlighting potassium ions (K+).
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether there are actual particles involved in the charge movement, suggesting it may just be a charge rather than a particle.
  • Another participant adds that while ions are involved in the heart's electrical activity, the signals detected at the skin level are primarily due to electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of electrons in the electrical signals detected by EKGs, but there is uncertainty regarding the nature of the charge and whether it involves particles or is simply a charge movement. The discussion remains unresolved on some aspects, particularly regarding the specifics of subatomic particle involvement.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the precise mechanisms of charge movement and the role of different particles, as well as the complexity of the heart's electrical activity and its representation in EKG readings.

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Hi,

First off, I am new to this forum, so please excuse me if I do not fit in with the norm of this website.

I am an ekg technician. I do many ekg's everyday and was wondering what the heck these electrodes pick up. I understand it is the electric current being measured across the heart. But, I don't understand what subatomic particles are being transferred (if that is what is occurring). Please help me understand if you can. Huge thanks to anyone who answers!
 
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EKG machines measure small electrical potentials.

Electrocardiograph (ECG, or EKG [from the German Elektrokardiogramm]) is a transthoracic interpretation of the electrical activity of the heart over time captured and externally recorded by skin electrodes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EKG"
 
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physics_guest said:
Hi,

First off, I am new to this forum, so please excuse me if I do not fit in with the norm of this website.

I am an ekg technician. I do many ekg's everyday and was wondering what the heck these electrodes pick up. I understand it is the electric current being measured across the heart. But, I don't understand what subatomic particles are being transferred (if that is what is occurring). Please help me understand if you can. Huge thanks to anyone who answers!

So to add just a bit to Don's answer. The "subatomic particles" that are moving are electrons, but they don't move very much or very far. The small voltage variations that you see on the different EKG lead traces result from very tiny electrical signals being coupled to the electrodes.

Just as you can use a voltmeter to measure the voltage of a 9V battery, the EKG machine's leads pick up the small voltage variations that are coupled to the skin surface from the electrical activity of the heart's conduction system.
 
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physics_guest said:
… I understand it is the electric current being measured across the heart. But, I don't understand what subatomic particles are being transferred (if that is what is occurring).

more from that wikipedia article …
At rest, each heart muscle cell has a charge across its outer wall, or cell membrane. Reducing this charge towards zero activates the mechanisms in the cell that cause it to contract.​

for details see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_action_potential" , including …
The resting membrane potential is caused by the difference in ionic concentrations and conductances across the membrane of the cell during phase 4 of the action potential. … This potential is determined by the selective permeability of the cell membrane to various ions. The membrane is most permeable to K+ and relatively impermeable to other ions. The resting membrane potential is therefore dominated by the K+ equilibrium potential according to the K+ gradient across the cell membrane.​
 
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Thanks guys! These are all great explanations. I was trying to explain this to my dad, but he was having problems understanding because he wanted to know what "sub atomic particles" are being distributed when a charge crosses the heart. But, I wasn't sure there was a "particle." Seems like it's just a charge. I may ask my physics professor just in case. If there's another explanation, I'll post it. Thanks again.
 


physics_guest said:
Thanks guys! These are all great explanations. I was trying to explain this to my dad, but he was having problems understanding because he wanted to know what "sub atomic particles" are being distributed when a charge crosses the heart. But, I wasn't sure there was a "particle." Seems like it's just a charge. I may ask my physics professor just in case. If there's another explanation, I'll post it. Thanks again.

Well, inside the heart there are ions involved in the electrical activity as well. But out toward the skin where you are sensing the AC electrical activity of the heart, it's all electrons.
 

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