Problems figuring out this inductance formula

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The discussion revolves around understanding the inductance formula I = 1/L∫Vdt, specifically how to apply it to calculate the current flowing through an inductor given a voltage function. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification related to calculus and the behavior of inductors in AC circuits.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about choosing between sine and cosine waveforms when dealing with AC current, questioning the reasoning behind the selection.
  • Another participant provides a breakdown of the formula, indicating the steps involved in integrating the voltage function to find the current.
  • A participant seeks clarification on specific steps in the integration process, particularly how constants are handled and the transition from cosine to sine.
  • One participant suggests memorizing integral formulas for sine and cosine as a temporary solution until further mathematical study is completed.
  • Another participant introduces an alternate formula for inductors, v(t) = L⋅(di(t)/dt), suggesting that different formulations can describe the same physical phenomenon.
  • A later reply emphasizes the relationship between sine and cosine functions, noting their integral and derivative connection, and encourages visualizing their graphs to understand their behavior.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the integration process and the choice of waveform. There is no consensus on the best approach to clarify the confusion, and multiple viewpoints on how to understand the relationship between sine and cosine functions are presented.

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Participants acknowledge gaps in mathematical knowledge, which may affect their understanding of the integration steps and the application of the inductance formula. The discussion reflects a reliance on different methods of explanation and varying levels of familiarity with calculus.

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I have questions about the I= 1/L∫Vdt formula
Hello. I am working this formula. I= 1/L∫Vdt . The following website have the best explanation of it.

http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Inductor-current-calculator.php

I am confused with a few things about it. One is that this website says If the current is Ac then the value will be a sine or a cosine waveform. How do I know which one to choose. I don't want to just pick one at random.

This example on this site looks like the following. This equation switched from cos to sin and when it does that's where it looses me.
What is the current flowing across an inductor if the voltage is 5cos(60t) and the inductance is 5H?

V= 1/L∫Vdt= (1/5H)∫(5cos(60t))= (5/300)sin(60t) A

So the current flowing across the inductor is (5/300)cos(60t) A.

I do not understand the steps that were taken to get this this final result. I hope someone has some advice thanks.
 
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Have you studied any calculus yet?

The example you cited looks good to me. Honestly, I don't really know how to simplify the solution beyond:

1) I = (1/L)⋅∫v(t)⋅dt
2) v(t) = 5⋅cos(60t), L = 5
=> I = (1/5)⋅∫5⋅cos(60t)⋅dt = ∫cos(60t)⋅dt = sin(60t)/60
 
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I have studied some calculus.
Where did (1/5)⋅∫5⋅ go in the beginning of the equation and in the end how did you go from cos to sin and where did /60 come from? Sorry to to ask, i have gaps in my math.
I = (1/5)⋅∫5⋅cos(60t)⋅dt = ∫cos(60t)⋅dt = sin(60t)/60
 
 
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For now, until you have studied more math, I would just memorize the formulas:
∫sin(ω⋅t)⋅dt = -(1/ω)⋅cos(ω⋅t) and ∫cos(ω⋅t)⋅dt = (1/ω)⋅sin(ω⋅t).

To learn more about these formulas, I would look for explanations of integral calculus. Khan Academy or 3Blue1Brown are good sources.

 
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Thanks a lot
 
There is an alternate formula for how an inductor works, which I personally prefer. It is v(t) = L⋅(di(t)/dt) where di/dt is the derivative of the current. The derivative is the rate of change, or the slope (vs. time) of the current.

It's just two different ways of explaining the same physical phenomenon, so don't worry if it's confusing. You may prefer one version vs. the other.
 
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DaveE said:
=> I = (1/5)⋅∫5⋅cos(60t)⋅dt = ∫cos(60t)⋅dt = sin(60t)/60
Yeah, confusing. The change from "∫cos(60t)⋅dt" to "sin(60t)/60" works because sin and cos are integrals, and derivitives, of each other.

You can see that if you sketch a sin wave and then sketch a cos wave below it. You will note that the inflection point (peak) of one is at the Zero crossing of the other.

Cheers,
Tom
 
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