Discovering the Science Behind Shiny Metals

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The discussion revolves around the reasons behind the shiny appearance of metals, exploring various factors such as electron behavior, surface texture, and reflection mechanisms. Participants examine both theoretical and empirical aspects of metallic luster, including the role of conduction electrons and surface roughness.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that metals have free electrons that can absorb light and re-emit it, contributing to their shiny appearance.
  • Others argue that the shininess of metals depends on surface texture and the amount of light reflected, noting that different specimens of the same metal can appear differently shiny.
  • A participant mentions that the smoothness of a metal's surface enhances its shininess, while another emphasizes the importance of surface roughness in light reflection.
  • Some participants question the reasons provided for metallic shininess, suggesting that reflection mechanisms may be more significant than the presence of conduction electrons.
  • There is a mention of the effect of oxidation on the shininess of metals, indicating that surface treatment can alter their appearance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors contributing to the shininess of metals, with no consensus reached on the primary reasons or mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of shininess on surface texture and light conditions, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities of how these factors interact with the properties of metals.

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Just want to make sure my understanding is correct...
Here it goes:

1. Metals have free electrons, which can be in a myriad of energy levels, including those corresponding to the full range of frequencies in the visible region of the spectrum.

2. Light shone on a piece of metal thus strongly absorbed by the free electrons on its surface.

3. Tiny currents are produced (why? Can it be said that the electrons are excited?), and the energy they carry is soon re-emitted as visible light


Thanks for your help :smile:
 
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Why are metals shiny? depends on the one looking at it...i do know that two specimens of the same metal will have differnet degrees of shiny...due to the surface texture ofthe metal...light is reflected by the surface of the metal..technically called Surfcae texture by ANSI/ASME B 46.1 standard...
so it ultimately depends upon the light source ( nothing going to be shiny in the dark..right) and the amount of reflection ofthe surface roughness
 
Ranger Mike said:
Why are metals shiny? depends on the one looking at it...i do know that two specimens of the same metal will have differnet degrees of shiny...due to the surface texture ofthe metal...light is reflected by the surface of the metal..technically called Surfcae texture by ANSI/ASME B 46.1 standard...
so it ultimately depends upon the light source ( nothing going to be shiny in the dark..right) and the amount of reflection ofthe surface roughness

Ok, ok...
Assuming adequate light and a piece of smooth metal, structurally why the metal is shinny?
 
Would it not be shiny in the dark if you could perceive the correct wavelength, such as infrared reflection?
 
One of the main reasons why metals are shinny is the existence of conduction electrons, forming what is often called surface "plasmon". These conduction electrons are able to reflect light, especially in the visible spectrum.

The ability to make metal surfaces as very smooth surfaces also adds to the "shinyness" of the material.

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almost right...it is emperically a fact that a piece of metal with a surface patch finished to a surface roughness of 12 micro inch Ra ( Roughness Average 0 appears dull compared to a patch on the same piece of metal finished to a surface roughness of 112 Ra...the reason is the peaks and valleys on the 12 Microinch patch are a lot shorter than the peak and valley excurisons on the 112 Ra patch..the 112 Ra patch provides more sufaces of reflectivity and thus will reflect light better thna the better finished surface...also the SPACING between the peaks is greater on the 112 Ra patch
 
also the flatness of the specimen effects "shininess"
 
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annatar...I'm doubtful any of the reasons you state are the reason for "shiny" metal... plastic is "shiny" too, so is paint...and if I rub a metal with some sandpaper it might be briefly very shiny then get dull via oxidation...and color also must play a part...

I suspect reflection mechanisms are what's really at play..
try wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_(physics)#Reflection_of_light

for a start...
 
Naty1 said:
annatar...I'm doubtful any of the reasons you state are the reason for "shiny" metal... plastic is "shiny" too, so is paint...and if I rub a metal with some sandpaper it might be briefly very shiny then get dull via oxidation...and color also must play a part...

I suspect reflection mechanisms are what's really at play..
try wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_(physics)#Reflection_of_light

for a start...

Maybe I should be specific : what is the origin of metallic luster?
How does their reflection mechanism makes them especially shiny?
 

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