Discrete eigenvalues and their eigenfunctions

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The discussion revolves around the nature of eigenfunctions associated with discrete eigenvalues in the context of Hilbert spaces. Participants explore definitions, properties, and implications of eigenvalues and eigenfunctions, particularly focusing on whether eigenfunctions of discrete eigenvalues must reside in Hilbert space.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that eigenfunctions of discrete eigenvalues are inherently elements of a Hilbert space, citing definitions from literature.
  • Others argue that if eigenvalues are continuous, the corresponding eigenfunctions may not belong to the Hilbert space, providing examples such as the operator \(\frac{1}{i} \frac{d}{dx}\).
  • A participant emphasizes the need for clarity in definitions, suggesting that the statement regarding continuous eigenvalues is misleading and should refer to spectral values instead.
  • Another participant expresses interest in proving the proposition that if the spectrum of an operator is discrete, its eigenfunctions are in Hilbert space, questioning the tautological nature of definitions.
  • There is a mention of the momentum operator being self-adjoint on a dense subset of \(L^2(\mathbb{R}, dx)\), which may influence the discussion on eigenfunctions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are competing views on the relationship between eigenfunctions and Hilbert space, particularly regarding the implications of discrete versus continuous eigenvalues.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that definitions in the literature may vary, and there is ambiguity surrounding the continuity of eigenvalues and the conditions under which eigenfunctions reside in Hilbert space.

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What's the proof that eigenfunctions of discrete eigenvalues are in Hilbert Space?
 
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This is included in the definition of an <eigenvalue>. The <eigenfunctions> are elements of a Hilbert space. The set of all eigenvalues is called the <point spectrum> of an operator. What you call <discrete eigenvalue> is probably a point in the <discrete spectrum>, which is a subset of the <point spectrum>, again by definition:

"The discrete spectrum σd(A) is the
set of all eigenvalues which are discrete points of the spectrum and whose
corresponding eigenspace is finite dimensional. The complement of the discrete
spectrum is called the essential spectrum σess(A) = σ(A)\σd(A)" (*)

for A a linear operator in a Hilbert space. *Quote form G. Teschl's <Mathematical Methods for Quantum Mechanics>, page 145.
 
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dextercioby said:
This is included in the definition of an <eigenvalue>. The <eigenfunctions> are elements of a Hilbert space.

I don't think it's a matter of definition. If the eigenvalues are continuous, then the eigenfunctions are not necessarily part of the Hilbert Space. e.g. eigenfunctions of the operator [itex]\frac{1}{i} \frac{d}{dx}[/itex] are [itex]A e^{ikx}[/itex] (k = eigenvalue), which isn't in the Hilbert Space.
 
I don't understand what you're denying. It's true that in the literature there's no common definition for some of the concepts, but apparently everyone agrees that

<Let A:D(A)[itex]\subset[/itex]H [itex]\rightarrow[/itex] Ran(A)[itex]\subset[/itex]H be a linear operator in a Hilbert space. The complex number [itex]\lambda[/itex] is called eigenvalue of the operator A, iff there's at least one vector [itex]\psi[/itex]≠ 0 in D(A) satisfying

[tex]Aψ=λψ[/tex]. Such a vector is called eigenvector of the operator A and is assumed by definition to be a member of the Hilbert space> is a definition for eigenvector/eigenvalue.

The statement <The eigenvalues are continuous> is inaccurate, for eigenvalues are numbers which can't be continuous. I think you meant <If the spectral values are elements of the continuous spectrum of an operator A> which is whole different thing.

Your second assertion could be taken as a counterexample to a statement such as: For a linear self-adjoint operator in a Hilbert space*, its spectral equation always has solutions in the Hilbert space.

As for your original question, I believe my previous post above pretty much settles it.

*The derivative operator (momentum operator) is self-adjoint on a dense everywhere subset of [itex]L^2 (\mathbb{R}, dx)[/itex].
 
If the operator is in Hilbert space, then it's a tautology. But an operator like [itex]-i \frac{d}{dx}[/itex] doesn't have to be defined on a Hilbert space alone; it can act on functions outside Hilbert space, like [itex]e^{ikx}[/itex]. But apparently if the spectrum of such an operator is discrete, its eigenfunctions are in Hilbert space. I'm looking for a proof of this proposition.
 
I would be very interested to learn a way to evade the tautology, namely that you can't prove something which is assumed in a definition (in this case, the definition of an eigenvalue/eigenvector).
 

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