Discrete Fourier Transform: How does independent varialbe spacing change?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the Discrete Fourier Transform (DFT) and the implications of sampling a sine function at specific intervals. Participants explore the relationship between the independent variable spacing in the time domain and its representation in the frequency domain, particularly focusing on the spacing of points along the wavenumber axis after transformation.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes sampling a sine function at regular intervals and obtaining a list of values, leading to a DFT that produces complex numbers.
  • There is a suggestion that the independent variable in the frequency domain will have units of (1/meter), interpreted as a wavenumber.
  • Another participant questions the dimensionality of the argument in the sine function, noting that it should be non-dimensional.
  • A participant clarifies that the Fourier transform relates time domain data to frequency domain data, acknowledging the dimensionality concerns while suggesting a conceptual understanding of the variables.
  • One participant calculates the spacing between Fourier coefficients, indicating that with 11 samples and a spacing of 1 meter, the resulting spacing in the frequency domain is 1/11 cycles/meter, and notes how the wavenumbers are numbered in the resulting FFT.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of the sine function's argument and the interpretation of the independent variable in the context of the DFT. There is no consensus on how to reconcile these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations regarding the dimensionality of the sine function's argument and the implications for interpreting the DFT results. The discussion remains open regarding the proper treatment of units in this context.

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Hey guys,

I was imagining that I have a sine function: y = sin(x) where x represents a distance in meters for instance. Now let us say that I sample the function at x = 0,1,2,3...,10 (meters) producing a list of values: {sin(1), sin(2), sin(3),...,sin(10)} = {0.000, 0.841, 0.909, 0.141, -0.756, -0.958, -0.279, 0.656, 0.989, 0.412, -0.544}. Obviously I know that the "spacing" between each of these consecutive points would be 1 meter.

Now I take the DFT using Mathematica (using standard Fourier parameters), to get:

Fourier[{sin(1), sin(2), sin(3),...,sin(10)}] = {0.425 + 0.000*I, 0.570 - 0.270*I, -0.860 + 1.098*I, -0.034 + 0.218*I, 0.045 + 0.095*I, 0.066 + 0.028*I, 0.066 - 0.028*I,
0.045 - 0.095*I, -0.034 - 0.218*I, -0.860 - 1.098*I, 0.570 + 0.270*I}

Which is now a list of 11 complex numbers. It is my understanding that the independent variable will now have units of (1/meter)? Which would be a wavenumber? Let us just call this new independent variable k. Here is my real question. Imagine that now I plot the absolute value of this list of complex values on one axis vs k on the other axis. What would be the "spacing" (along the k axis) between each consecutive point in my transformed list?

Thanks for any help
 
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I don't fully understand your question. However, the argument of a trig function must be a non-dimensional number - it can't be in meters, without an appropriate 1/meter factor.
 
Is not the Fourier transform of something in the time domain something in the frequency domain? I know that it does not make sense to put numbers with units into the argument of the sine function. But just imagine that the x variable "represents" a distance even though it is a pure number.
 
Before transforming, you had N = 11 samples with spacing dx = 1 m, with a total interval L = N dx = 11 m.

An FFT will return 11 Fourier coefficients corresponding to a spacing: dk = 1 / L = 1 / 11 [cycles/m].

However, the wavenumbers will be numbered (since this is an odd FFT) like this:
(-5, -4, ..., -1, 0, 1, 2, ..., 5)/11 [cycles/meter].
 

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