Discrete T1 space vs. locally finite basis

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The discussion revolves around the properties of T1 spaces and locally finite bases in topology. The original poster is exploring the relationship between these concepts, particularly questioning whether a T1 space with a locally finite basis must be discrete.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the implications of a T1 space having a locally finite basis and seeks to demonstrate that such a space must be discrete. They express uncertainty about how to show that neighborhoods can be singletons.
  • Another participant suggests proving that the intersection of basis elements around a point is a singleton to establish that singletons are open sets.
  • A further contribution outlines a reasoning process involving the collection of basis elements containing a point and the implications of the T1 condition.

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The discussion has progressed with participants offering insights and reasoning towards the original poster's query. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the proof, and there appears to be a constructive exchange of ideas without explicit consensus.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses confusion about the problem statement and the requirements for proving the relationship between T1 spaces and discrete topology. There is an acknowledgment of the challenge posed by the problem.

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Homework Statement



The formulation of the problem confused me a little, so just to check.

No T1 space has a locally finite space unless it is discrete.

The Attempt at a Solution



This means that, if X is a discrete T1 space, it has a locally finite basis, right?

Btw, for the converse (which I guess isn't what we need to prove here, but nevertheless) it's almost trivial, and we don't need the T1 condition. Since, if X is a discrete space, then the basis for X is B = {{x} : x is in X}, and hence, if x is in X, the neighborhood {x} of x intersects B in exactly one element, namely {x} itself.

Now, about going for the other direction, I need to show somehow that X must be discrete, if it is T1 and has a locally finite basis.

Let x be in X. There exists a neighborhood Ux of x which intersects the locally finite basis B in finitely many elements, call them B1, ..., Bn. I don't directly see how to conclude that X is discrete, i.e. I'd need to show somehow that the open sets in X are elements o P(X) (I don't think this is likely to be shown), or to show somehow that the basis is exactla the collection B = {{x} : x is in X}, since this is the basis for the discrete topology.

And somehow I need to use the T1 axiom.

This is either very easy and I don't see something obvious, or it's not so easy. Anyway, a small push in the right direction is welcome.
 
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Wow, that was not exactly the easiest problem...

Anyway, take \mathcal{B} the locally finite base. Take x an arbitrary point. You'll need to prove that {x} is open.
Now, the trick is to consider \bigcap\{B\in \mathcal{B}~\vert~x\in B\}. So take all the basis sets around x, and consider the intersection of it.
Now, try to show that it's a singleton. This will help you in showing that {x} is open...
 
OK, I think I got it. Btw, this is not the first time I came up with a solution after actually going to bed and "calling it a day".

Let x be in X. Let B' be the collection of all basis elements which contain x. Since the basis for X is locally finite, choose a neighborhood of X which intersects finitely many basis elements. Clearly the collection B' must be finite, in the contrary we would have a contradiction. Hence, the intersection S of all elements of B' is open and contains x.

Now, assume there is an element y in S, different from x. Since X is T1, choose a neighborhood U of x disjoint from {y}. Now intersect U with some element from B'. For this intersection, choose a basis element containing x and contained in this intersection. It follows that this basis element belongs to B'. But this is a contradiction, since we assumed y belongs to S, i.e. to every element of the collection B'.

Hence, {x} is open in X, so X has the discrete topology.
 
Yes, that is completely correct!

And you're right, sleep can be the greatest problem solver in mathematics :biggrin:
 
Excellent, thanks!
 

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