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The discussion revolves around the World Cup 2010, specifically focusing on the upcoming match between England and the USA. Participants share their predictions, opinions on officiating, and thoughts on team performances and prospects throughout the tournament.

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  • Some participants express excitement about the England vs. USA match, predicting varying outcomes and discussing the chances of both teams advancing from their group.
  • Several posts critique officiating decisions, particularly regarding offside calls, with some arguing the calls were correct while others disagree.
  • Participants share their predictions for multiple matches, with differing views on scores and team performances, particularly regarding the USA and England match.
  • Some participants reflect on the overall quality of refereeing in the tournament, noting specific calls and their implications for the games.
  • There are discussions about the performance of other teams, with some participants expressing skepticism about France's chances and others favoring Argentina as potential winners.

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There is no consensus on the correctness of officiating calls, with participants divided on their views. Predictions for match outcomes vary widely, indicating multiple competing views on team performances.

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Participants' predictions are based on personal opinions and interpretations of team form and match conditions, which may not account for all variables influencing game outcomes.

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Football fans interested in World Cup discussions, predictions, and analyses of match officiating and team strategies may find this thread engaging.

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World Cup 2010 kicked off this afternoon with the host nation South Africa playing to a 1-1 draw with Mexico. Since this is a global event, any football fans out there in PF can use this thread for all discussion relating to the World Cup. I think we had a special forum in previous years when Greg wasn't globe trotting. Tell us your favourite teams, your tips for the eventual winner, and the matches you look forward to most.

Since the demographic here is mostly USA-ians, the most exciting match coming up looks like the England v USA match on 12/06/10. I think both teams have a good chance of progressing from the group they're in. What are everybody elses thoughts?
 
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Terrible offsides call to change the game
 
Kurdt said:
World Cup 2010 kicked off this afternoon with the host nation South Africa playing to a 1-1 draw with Mexico. Since this is a global event, any football fans out there in PF can use this thread for all discussion relating to the World Cup. I think we had a special forum in previous years when Greg wasn't globe trotting. Tell us your favourite teams, your tips for the eventual winner, and the matches you look forward to most.

Since the demographic here is mostly USA-ians, the most exciting match coming up looks like the England v USA match on 12/06/10. I think both teams have a good chance of progressing from the group they're in. What are everybody elses thoughts?

That's June 12th to us USA-ians, not December 6th :wink:.
 
lisab said:
That's June 12th to us USA-ians, not December 6th :wink:.

Just thought I'd write it in a way that the rest of the world understands. :-p
 
Office_Shredder said:
Terrible offsides call to change the game
Offside call was right, 1 player can be behind the ball.(even if this player in not a goalkeeper)

I'll support the USA but also like the Italy team. (I'm AC Milan fan)
 
Office_Shredder said:
Terrible offsides call to change the game
That was exactly the right call. The offside rule has two parts. First, a player has to be in an offside position. Second, the player has to have committed an offside offense.

Part 1: Was Vela in an offside position? "A player is an offside position if he is nearer the opponent's goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent." The pass was a forward pass. Test #1a: Vela was closer to the goal line than the ball at the time of the pass. What about the penultimate defender? Pienaar was at the goal line, but Khune had run forward. Test #1b: Vela was in front of the penultimate defender (Khune). Put the two together: Vela was in an offside position.

Part 2: Did Vela commit an offside offense? This was not one of the three situations where being in an offside position is legal. Did he interfere with play, interfere with a player, or gain an advantage from being in an offside position? Yes, he scored a goal. Vela was offside. The goal didn't count.
 
That tie in the opener makes the France-Uruguay game rather important. I expect South Africa and Mexico to advance from group A. France doesn't deserve to go anywhere but back to France.

I'd obviously like to see the US advance to the round of 16. Beyond that is wishing for too much. I'd like to see at least one team other than Spain or Brazil in the finals.
 
We should have set up a PF Futbol League like we did last time. We could still do it ...

EDIT: Just can't seem to find the thread for the last time we had a Fantasy FIFA League. Help?
 
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My predictions for group C are that the US will beat England tomorrow in a scrappy game that will embarrass all Englishmen, and force the players to pull their socks up. England and the US will advance (in that order), with the US not getting any further and England getting knocked out in the Semis. As for the eventual winners, well, I quite fancy Argentina even though they're a bit mental: they have some great players. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

As for today's games: I don't see Mexico beating a good side with a defense as poor as they were today, and with such a terrible keeper!
 
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Okay, if you want to play, fill in your best guess of the score for the following day's games. Only submissions that come in before 6AM GMT (on gameday) will be accepted. You get ONE point for each correct outcome (team A wins; team A loses; draw) and ONE additional point for each correct score. Use the format below, and fill in your predictions:

June 12:

S Korea - Greece (1-0)
Argentina - Nigeria (2-1)
USA - England (1-1)
 
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Nicely volunteered, Gokul :biggrin:

June 12:

S Korea - Greece (1-2)
Argentina - Nigeria (4-1)
USA - England (1-0)
 
  • #12
June 12:

S Korea - Greece (0-1)
Argentina - Nigeria (2-0)
USA - England (1-2)
 
  • #13
Oh heck. Being completely contrarian,

S Korea - Greece (2-0) Greece has collapsed in more ways than economically.
Argentina - Nigeria (1-2) Messi will be messy.
USA - England (1-0) Last night's Daily Show fingering of the US team fires the team up.
 
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S Korea-Greece 1...2
Argentina-Nigeria 3...1
USA-England 1...3
 
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I filled one out for a contest at work, here's my bet:

Argentina - Nigeria (2 - 0)
South Korea - Greece (1 - 1)
England - USA (2 - 0) (the correct way around)
 
  • #16
USA (3) - England (2)
 
  • #17
cronxeh said:
USA (3) - England (2)

Come on, be realistic. England might be having a bad time defence-wise, but I can't see them letting in 3 USA goals!
 
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cristo said:
Come on, be realistic. England might be having a bad time defence-wise, but I can't see them letting in 3 USA goals!
<cough> Remember Barca? :wink: </cough>
 
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http://o.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/worldcup/2012084369_soccersaf11.html"
 
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Do they really need to make that damned noise the entire time? It got pretty annoying.

I agree with the offside call, I believe it was the correct call and the goal didn't count. Kudos to the officials for making the first big/difficult call of the World Cup.
 
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zomgwtf said:
Do they really need to make that damned noise the entire time? It got pretty annoying.

I agree with the offside call, I believe it was the correct call and the goal didn't count. Kudos to the officials for making the first big/difficult call of the World Cup.

So far the refereeing is very impressive.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
<cough> Remember Barca? :wink: </cough>

Yes well, erm, that was completely different. (Damn you've got a good memory!)
 
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[PLAIN]http://d.yimg.com/i//ng/sp/eurosport/20100606/25/9acc1cf043c08a54ccff7ba67796355e.jpg

USA 2, England 1
South Korea 2, Greece 0
Argentina 3, Nigeria 1
 
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Bob, your entry needed to be in by 1AM EST - you're 6 hrs late!

Nevertheless, since we only started yesterday, I'll show some leniency, but only some. Any points won off your late submission will be halved and rounded downwards (floored or GIF'ed).

No more late submissions will be accepted.

I'm putting this in for tomorrow:

June 13:

Algeria - Slovenia (0-1)
Serbia - Ghana (2-1)
Germany - Australia (3-1)

Game update: Jungsoo scores! Korea up by one.
 
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  • #25
Greece looked tired only 25 minutes in.

The second goal by Jisung was fantastic. But he'd better have scored on that one. I can't believe he ignored his team mate that was all alone.

So much for FIFA rankings, eh.

Algeria - Slovenia (0-1)
Serbia - Ghana (2-1)
Germany - Australia (3-0)

Edit: And I should get half a point back for posting a cool picture.:smile:
 
  • #26
Algeria - Slovenia (0 - 1)
Serbia - Ghana (1 - 0)
Germany - Australia (2 - 0)
 
  • #27
BobG said:
Greece looked tired only 25 minutes in.
Greece looked tired after that first shot at goal around 5' in, but they are an aging team. Nevertheless, I think it's more the contrast with the speed of the Korean team that made Greece look tired.
So much for FIFA rankings, eh.
I suspect Greece has been riding its 2004 ranking way past its expiry date.
 
  • #28
BobG said:
Edit: And I should get half a point back for posting a cool picture.:smile:
You'll get an extra half-point if the US wins and Donovan scores more goals than Rooney in that game!
 
  • #29
For the June 13 games:
Algeria - Slovenia (0-0)
Serbia - Ghana (1-1)
Germany – Australia (3-1)
 
  • #30
What a header from Heinze! Maybe I'll get one prediction correct.

I'm holding off on tomorrow's matches, since I don't know too much about the teams!
 

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