Dispersion relation and their origins & meaning

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on understanding dispersion relations, particularly in the context of wave propagation, including light waves and waves in crystals. Participants explore the meaning of 'constant phase' and the implications of linear versus non-linear dispersion relations, as well as concepts like phase velocity and group velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of 'constant phase' in wave propagation and how to visualize it compared to other waves.
  • Another participant explains that for light, a linear dispersion relation indicates that all frequencies travel at the same speed, maintaining the shape of the wave.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of group velocity, stating it is the average velocity of the mean position of a wavepacket, distinct from phase velocity.
  • Another contribution notes that surfaces of constant phase move at phase velocity, and highlights that in dispersive waves, phase velocity can differ from group velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the definitions and implications of dispersion relations, with no consensus reached on the visualization of these concepts or the interpretation of phase and group velocities.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical expressions and concepts, such as the relationship between angular frequency and wave vector, but do not resolve the complexities involved in these definitions.

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Hi Everyone,

I'm trying to understand dispersion relations in general.

I know that for a simple wave like a light wave there is a 'constant phase' so the dx/dt is equal to the ratio of the angular frequency (omega) by the wave vector (k).

However what does a 'constant phase' mean? How can I visualize the propagation of a wave with this characteristic, compared to other waves?

On the other hand, then considering a crystal, the dispersion relation is defined as the 'delta_omega/delta_k'
So I can't really visualize what this relation means.

I'd appreciate any help in helping me intuitively understand these concepts.
 
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In the case of light, the linear dispersion relation means that light of every frequency travels at the same speed. So if you have a traveling bump, the bump will move with constant speed without changing shape.

If the dispersion relation is not linear, then a bump will generally change shape, eg. become more dispersed or spread out over time.

There are some good examples using water waves in http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~djmorin/waves/dispersion.pdf (p20).
 
If you were to take the average value of \frac{d\omega}{dk} (averaged over all values of k), what you would have is the velocity of the mean position of the wavepacket. This velocity is what's known as the group velocity, and is distinct from the phase velocity, which is only defined for single plane waves. You can have an average phase velocity for a beam of light, though this too, is distinct from group velocity.

Note: \frac{d\omega}{dk} is often considered just the group velocity, where k is given to be the value of the peak of the spatial frequency spectrum.
 

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