Undergrad Dispersion relation of a transmission line - questions

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The discussion focuses on the dispersion relation of a transmission line defined by the equation ω=sin(kx), highlighting that each frequency ω corresponds to two wave numbers k. The primary method to influence the generated k within the line is by varying ω, as changing the line's construction is not feasible. The conversation also addresses the phenomenon of aliasing in digital signal processing, which occurs due to the discrete sampling of voltage across capacitors in a low-pass transmission line, leading to the appearance of multiple k values for a single ω. The concept of the "reduced zone" is introduced, where the argument of sin is confined to the range 0 to π/2.

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Hi,

I have transmission line with dispersion relation ω=sin(kx), so then means that for one value of ω I have two values of k. I apply voltage with some frequency with is allowed to move in the line. First question is, how can I influence what k will be generated inside the line. The another question is, if there is somehow possible to generate a wave not with generating frequency ω like in the first example but to generate wavelength, basically k.

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The only way to change k without changing the line construction is to vary ω.
 
and I see from dispersion formula that each ω has two k, so what key will be inside the line, and how can I switch is for another one.
 
Are you using a lumped-element model (discrete L's and C's) for the transmission line?
 
Yes
 
You are seeing the effects of aliasing, as it is called in digital signal processing. It arises in any discrete or sampled system. In the present case, you can't see a continuous sine wave travel down your transmission line model because voltage is defined (sampled) at only a finite number of points--namely across each capacitor, if it's a low-pass transmission line. For spatial frequencies above a certain maximum k_0, the pattern of sampled voltages looks the same as that for a lower frequency--that is, two values of k appear to have the same ω. As a result, there is no point in considering the upper, degenerate part of the k spectrum. It is conventional to limit the argument of sin to the range 0 to π/2. This is called the "reduced zone."
 

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