Dispersion relation of a transmission line - questions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dispersion relation of a transmission line described by the equation ω=sin(kx). Participants explore how to influence the wave number k generated within the line and whether it is possible to generate a wave based on wavelength rather than frequency.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to influence the value of k generated inside the transmission line when applying a voltage at a specific frequency ω.
  • Another participant suggests that the only way to change k without altering the line's construction is to vary ω.
  • A different participant notes that each ω corresponds to two values of k and questions how to switch between these values within the line.
  • One participant inquires whether a lumped-element model is being used for the transmission line.
  • A participant explains that the observed phenomenon is related to aliasing in digital signal processing, indicating that the discrete nature of the model leads to multiple k values appearing for the same ω due to sampling limitations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to manipulate k and the implications of the dispersion relation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on the limitations of the lumped-element model and the effects of aliasing, which may not be fully addressed or resolved within the current exchange.

Matej Kurtulik
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Hi,

I have transmission line with dispersion relation ω=sin(kx), so then means that for one value of ω I have two values of k. I apply voltage with some frequency with is allowed to move in the line. First question is, how can I influence what k will be generated inside the line. The another question is, if there is somehow possible to generate a wave not with generating frequency ω like in the first example but to generate wavelength, basically k.

Thank you
 
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The only way to change k without changing the line construction is to vary ω.
 
and I see from dispersion formula that each ω has two k, so what key will be inside the line, and how can I switch is for another one.
 
Are you using a lumped-element model (discrete L's and C's) for the transmission line?
 
Yes
 
You are seeing the effects of aliasing, as it is called in digital signal processing. It arises in any discrete or sampled system. In the present case, you can't see a continuous sine wave travel down your transmission line model because voltage is defined (sampled) at only a finite number of points--namely across each capacitor, if it's a low-pass transmission line. For spatial frequencies above a certain maximum k_0, the pattern of sampled voltages looks the same as that for a lower frequency--that is, two values of k appear to have the same ω. As a result, there is no point in considering the upper, degenerate part of the k spectrum. It is conventional to limit the argument of sin to the range 0 to π/2. This is called the "reduced zone."
 

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