Displacement Meter- Simple Harmonic Motion

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to simple harmonic motion, specifically analyzing a displacement meter used to study oscillatory motion. The original poster presents a scenario involving a mass-spring system and seeks to determine the range of the spring constant under certain conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the parameters of the system, questioning the definitions of variables such as amplitude (b) and angular velocity (ω). There is an attempt to understand the implications of keeping the recorded displacement below a specific threshold.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the variables involved. Some express confusion regarding the setup and the equations presented, while others attempt to connect the concepts of forced oscillation and damping to the problem at hand.

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Participants note the lack of clarity regarding certain terms and the physical setup, particularly the role of the drum and the meaning of the sinusoidal motion described. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of the equations and their derivations.

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Homework Statement



The figure attached shows the meter used to study the motion yB = bsinωt.
The motion of the mass relative to the frame is recorded on the drum.
If l1= 360 mm, l2= 480 mm, l3= 600 mm, m = 0.9 kg, c = 1.4 Ns/m and
ω = 10 rad/s, Determine the range of the spring constant k over which the magnitude of the recorded relative displacement is less than 1.5b. It is assumed that the ratio ω/ωn must remain greater than unity



Homework Equations



mx'' +cx' + kx = 0

w = sqrt(k/m)


The Attempt at a Solution



-m(w^2)bsinwt + cwbcoswt + kbsinwt = 0
cb(k/m)coswt = 0

This is what I've done so far, I am quite lost on this question am I at all on the right track?
Should I use the conservation of energy?
 

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Any help at all would would be appreciated with this, really stuck.
 
the recorded relative displacement is less than 1.5b.

1.5b

What is b ?

ω = 10 rad/s,

What is ω ? Where is it applied ?
 
Quinzio said:
1.5b

What is b ?



What is ω ? Where is it applied ?

b is the amplitude of the oscillation and \omega is the angular velocity. what do you mean by where is it applied?
 
dvep said:
b is the amplitude of the oscillation and \omega is the angular velocity. what do you mean by where is it applied?

\omega is the angular velocity of the rotating drum (see attached image above)
 
Skittles999 said:
\omega is the angular velocity of the rotating drum (see attached image above)

Naa, honestly I think the drum is just the equivalent of a modern oscilloscope. No one cares about the drum.
It could well be that ω is the angular velocity of the metal rod, which moves of small angles, but has a ω.

More simply, I think ω is the pulsation of the spring-mass system.

More mysterious is b. If I displace the mass m an then let it free to move, that displacement will be the biggest that will be recorded, because the system will generate a damped series of oscillation with decreasing amplitude.
So, what does it mean to keep the amplitude less than 1.5b ?Ah ok, wait a minute, what is the meaning of the Yb = bsin wt in the right bottom corner ?
It means that the whole system , the box is "shaken" with a movement like b sin wt.

Ok, now things make sense. So you got a forced oscillator, with a sinusoidal force.

You can look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_oscillator
section Sinusoidal driving force
 
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Quinzio said:
Naa, honestly I think the drum is just the equivalent of a modern oscilloscope. No one cares about the drum.

Sorry, yes you are correct
 
Quinzio said:
Naa, honestly I think the drum is just the equivalent of a modern oscilloscope. No one cares about the drum.
It could well be that ω is the angular velocity of the metal rod, which moves of small angles, but has a ω.

More simply, I think ω is the pulsation of the spring-mass system.

More mysterious is b. If I displace the mass m an then let it free to move, that displacement will be the biggest that will be recorded, because the system will generate a damped series of oscillation with decreasing amplitude.
So, what does it mean to keep the amplitude less than 1.5b ?


Ah ok, wait a minute, what is the meaning of the Yb = bsin wt in the right bottom corner ?
It means that the whole system , the box is "shaken" with a movement like b sin wt.

Ok, now things make sense. So you got a forced oscillator, with a sinusoidal force.

You can look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_oscillator
section Sinusoidal driving force

Thanks for your reply.
I have a fair understanding of it, but still quite confused on how to do this problem and where all the different equations are coming from.
Do I find the steady-state solution and use that to find k?
 
any insight on this question?? I have a very similar question and can't seem to figure it out...
 

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