Displacement of an axially loaded beam

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The discussion revolves around determining the displacement of an axially loaded beam, specifically a 30mm diameter A-36 steel rod subjected to various forces. Participants are exploring the application of relevant equations and methodologies to solve a homework problem related to mechanics of materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method involving the calculation of displacements using the equation δ = PL/EA and attempts to find the displacement of end A with respect to end C.
  • Another participant questions the validity of an equation used by the first poster, suggesting that the total displacement should be the sum of the contractions of segments AB and BC.
  • There is a discussion about the movement of the reaction force at point B, with some participants suggesting it can be moved along the beam while others argue against this, citing different load conditions.
  • A participant calculates the displacement using a summation approach and arrives at a different value, expressing confusion about the discrepancy with the textbook answer.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the textbook answer, suggesting that it may be incorrect based on their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct methodology for calculating the displacement or the validity of the textbook answer. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the application of equations and the treatment of reaction forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying their calculations, particularly regarding the movement of reaction forces and the application of the equations used. There are unresolved mathematical steps and differing interpretations of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



The 30mm diameter A-36 steel rod (E=200x10^9 Pa) is subjected to the loading shown. Determine the displacement of end A with respect to end C. (see attached picture)

Homework Equations



\delta = \frac{PL}{EA} (eq. 1)
where delta is the deflection, P is the internal force, E is Young's modulus and A is the cross sectional area.

\delta_{A/C} = \delta_C - \delta_B (eq. 2)


The Attempt at a Solution



I first turned the two forces at B into a single force of +48kN. Since \sum F_x = 0 I determined the reaction A to be 42kN. I then took a cut at a point between A and B, and determined the displacement of B by eq.1 giving -0.1188mm (to the left). Similarly I then took a cut between B and C and determined the displacement of C and found a dispacement of -0.3819mm. Then by eq. 2 the displacement of A relative to C is -0.2632mm. This answer is incorrect though.

I spoke to my tutor about this earlier today, and he told me I could move the reaction at B to any point along the line of the beam (so any where between A and C). Doing this I found an internal force of -42kN (compression), which by equation 1, for the whole beam, gives a displacement of -0.2971mm, which is also wrong.

The stated answer in the back of the book is -0.772mm (is the textbook's answer correct?) I've been trying all sorts of combinations on this problem for days now, and am no closer to solving it. Any help would be appreciated!
 

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I'm not seeing where you get your eq. 2. If AB contracts and BC contracts, why isn't the changing distance between A and C just the sum of the contractions?

Even with this revision, though, my answer doesn't match the one in your book.
 
Mapes said:
I'm not seeing where you get your eq. 2. If AB contracts and BC contracts, why isn't the changing distance between A and C just the sum of the contractions?

Even with this revision, though, my answer doesn't match the one in your book.

I just rearranged eq. 2 from another equation in the textbook, so it may not apply in this case. What you suggest makes intuitive sense. I'm still a bit confused though. You can move the reaction at B to any point along the beam, can't you?

If I do what you suggest I get -0.5007mm, which is still off. Do you think the given answer is incorrect?

(Mechanics of Materials by Hibbeler, 8e, question F4-3)
 
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NEGATIVE_40 said:
You can move the reaction at B to any point along the beam, can't you?

No way! Move it all the way to the left and you have a uniform 90kN compressive load. All the way to the right and it's 48kN. These certainly aren't equivalent.
 
Mapes said:
No way! Move it all the way to the left and you have a uniform 90kN compressive load. All the way to the right and it's 48kN. These certainly aren't equivalent.

So...I would have to take a cut between A and B (to get displacement of B ) and then take a cut between B and C (to get displacement of C) The displacement of A relative to C would therefore be \delta_C + \delta_B, which is what I did originally, and according to the textbook is incorrect. Is my methodology correct (when I don't move the reaction at B, that is) ?
:confused:
 
Just to makes things clear, this is what I have done.

\delta_{A/C}= \sum \frac{PL}{EA}= \frac{P_{AB}L_{AB}}{EA}+ \frac{P_{BC}L_{BC}}{EA}= \frac{-42000N \cdot 0.4m}{200\times 10^9Pa \cdot (\frac{\pi}{4}\cdot 0.03^2)} + \frac{-90000N \cdot 0.6m}{200\times 10^9Pa \cdot (\frac{\pi}{4}\cdot 0.03^2)}= -0.5007mm
 
Yea i get that too. Books are sometimes wrong.
 
Looks good to me.
 

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