Disprove the nested quantifier

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The discussion revolves around the logical structure of the statement ∃x∀y(y̸=0→xy=1) within the context of real numbers, focusing on the implications of nested quantifiers and their negation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the meaning of the original statement and its negation, with some attempting to clarify the typesetting of the mathematical expressions. There are discussions about the implications of the statement and the existence of values for x and y that satisfy the conditions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the validity of the original statement and exploring its negation. Some have offered insights into the relationship between x and y, while others express confusion regarding the notation and the logical structure of the problem.

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There is an emphasis on disproving the statement, with participants noting that the original assertion is false and discussing the need to demonstrate this through logical reasoning.

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Homework Statement


∃x∀y(y̸=0→xy=1) in the real numbers universe.


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The Attempt at a Solution


Since the given statement is false I negated the whole statement to become

∀x∃y(y̸!=0^xy!=1) (!= means not equal to)

then I would have to prove this correct by setting y to something except zero
I can't find any y to prove this correct
 
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I can't make sense of your formulae. I think you messed up the typesetting. Also, it may help to use words instead of symbols... especially if you have to improvise to make the symbols.
 
there exists an x,for every y (if y does not equal to zero then x*y=1) *real numbers universe
 
Albert1992 said:
there exists an x,for every y (if y does not equal to zero then x*y=1)


*real numbers universe
How about this?

For every nonzero y in R, there exists an x in R such that xy = 1.
 
i have to disprove the statement since it is false
 
Albert1992 said:
there exists an x,for every y (if y does not equal to zero then x*y=1)


*real numbers universe

If y does not equal 0, then there is only one value x such that x*y=1. That's x=1/y. How can there be an x that has an infinite number of solutions to x*y=1?
 
Exactly why the statement is false, but i have to prove that it is false
by negating the whole expression
 

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