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The discussion revolves around the bond lengths in 1,3-butadiene, specifically addressing the observed distance between the two central carbon atoms and why it differs from the expected C=C bond length. Participants explore concepts related to hybridization and molecular structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the distance between the two central carbon atoms in 1,3-butadiene is 146 pm, despite the C=C bond length being given as 133 pm.
  • Another participant clarifies that the "central" carbon atoms refer to those in the CH-CH segment of the molecule.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the hybridization of the carbon atoms involved, with some participants indicating that all four carbon atoms in 1,3-butadiene are likely sp2 hybridized.
  • One participant recommends looking up the concept of conjugation, implying it may be relevant to understanding the bond lengths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the observed bond length differences, and multiple viewpoints regarding the influence of hybridization and conjugation are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference hybridization and conjugation without fully resolving how these concepts specifically relate to the observed bond lengths. The discussion lacks detailed mathematical or structural analysis to clarify the discrepancies in bond lengths.

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Here's the question:

The structure of 1,3-butadiene is usually written as H2C=CH–CH=CH2. The average bond lengths given in Table 9.2 in my textbook are: C–C of 154 pm and C=C of 133 pm. Explain the fact that the observed value of the distance between the two central carbon atoms in 1,3-butadiene is 146 pm.

Are the 2 central carbon atoms the 2 carbons that have a double bond between each other? If so, the distance of C=C is equal to 133pm so why would the distance between the 2 central carbon atoms that are double bonded be different? How else would I answer this question? THanks.
 
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Number the carbon atoms from 1-4, beginning to end of chain; "central" means "middle" of chain.
 
Bystander said:
Number the carbon atoms from 1-4, beginning to end of chain; "central" means "middle" of chain.
so the central carbon atoms would be the ones in CH-CH. But I'm still not getting why the distance between these would be different than the given C-C distance.
 
You've seen/read a discussion of sp2, and/or sp3 hybrid orbitals?
 
Bystander said:
You've seen/read a discussion of sp2, and/or sp3 hybrid orbitals?
yeah i have, maybe its super obvious and I'm not seeing the connection?
 
What are the hybrids for 1, 2, 3, and 4?
 
Google conjugation.
 
Bystander said:
What are the hybrids for 1, 2, 3, and 4?
1 would be sp2, assuming it has 2 bonds to H and one double bond to C2
2 would be sp2, assuming it has 1 double bond to C1, 1 bond to H and another bond to C3
3 would be sp2, assuming it has 1 bond to C2, 1 bond to H and one double bond to C4
4 would be sp2, assuming it has one double bond to C3, and 2 bonds to H
 

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