Distance Traveled: Integral Calc/Line Int?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of distance traveled by a particle along a path defined parametrically by functions of time. Participants explore the implications of using a specific integral for this purpose and question whether the integral yields a nonzero result if the particle returns to its starting position. The conversation also touches on the nature of line integrals in the context of this calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the integral for calculating distance traveled along a path defined by parametric equations and questions whether it yields a nonzero result if the particle starts and ends at the same position.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the integral for a circular path defined by \(x = \cos t\) and \(y = \sin t\) from \(t = 0\) to \(2\pi\) as a way to understand the concept.
  • A later reply asserts that as long as the particle is moving, the integrand remains positive, implying that the integral will yield a nonzero distance even if the endpoints are the same.
  • Another participant confirms that the integral is indeed a line integral and illustrates the concept by comparing it to walking around a circle, emphasizing that the distance traveled can be nonzero despite returning to the starting point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the integral represents a line integral and can yield a nonzero distance traveled even if the particle returns to its original position. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of the integral in specific scenarios, particularly in relation to the particle's motion.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions about the particle's motion and the specific conditions under which the integral is applied. The discussion does not clarify the mathematical steps involved in calculating the integral for different paths.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in understanding the concepts of distance traveled in parametric equations, line integrals, and the implications of returning to a starting position in motion analysis.

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If we wish to find the distance traveled (not the distance from the origin) by a particle along a path ##C## defined by ##y = f(t)## and ##x = g(t)## we would use this integral:

$$L = \int_C ds = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \sqrt{({\frac{dy}{dt}})^2 + ({\frac{dx}{dt}})^2} dt$$

My question is, does this give a nonzero answer if the particle were at the same position at ##t = t_1## and at ##t = t_2##?

Also, is this a line integral? I don't know much about line integrals and vector calculus, all I know is work done is a good example of a line integral.
 
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You can simply understand it yourself by calculating this integral for x=\cos t \ , \ y=\sin t from t=0 \ to \ 2\pi.
 
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MohammedRady97 said:
If we wish to find the distance traveled (not the distance from the origin) by a particle along a path ##C## defined by ##y = f(t)## and ##x = g(t)## we would use this integral:

$$L = \int_C ds = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \sqrt{({\frac{dy}{dt}})^2 + ({\frac{dx}{dt}})^2} dt$$

My question is, does this give a nonzero answer if the particle were at the same position at ##t = t_1## and at ##t = t_2##?

Also, is this a line integral? I don't know much about line integrals and vector calculus, all I know is work done is a good example of a line integral.
As long as the particle is moving, the integrand is always positive even if the particle ends up where it started.
 
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MohammedRady97 said:
If we wish to find the distance traveled (not the distance from the origin) by a particle along a path ##C## defined by ##y = f(t)## and ##x = g(t)## we would use this integral:

$$L = \int_C ds = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} \sqrt{({\frac{dy}{dt}})^2 + ({\frac{dx}{dt}})^2} dt$$

My question is, does this give a nonzero answer if the particle were at the same position at ##t = t_1## and at ##t = t_2##?

Also, is this a line integral? I don't know much about line integrals and vector calculus, all I know is work done is a good example of a line integral.
Yes, that is a line integral and gives the length of the line. If you go around a circle with circumference 100 meters, you are right back where you started but have walked 100 meters, not 0!
 

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