Divergence Theorem for Surface Integrals

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The discussion focuses on using the divergence theorem to calculate surface integrals for various vector fields. Participants confirm the setups for three specific cases, expressing confidence in the calculations of divergence and integral limits. There are also inquiries about handling more complex surfaces, such as those defined by non-standard equations. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying the divergence theorem and understanding the implications of divergence values, particularly when it equals zero, indicating a conserved flow. Overall, the thread emphasizes clarity in mathematical expressions and the physical interpretations of the results.
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Homework Statement



Folks, have I set these up correctly? THanks
Use divergence theorem to calculate the surface integral \int \int F.dS for each of the following

Homework Equations



\int \int F.dS=\int \int \int div(F)dV

The Attempt at a Solution


a) F(x,y,z)=xye^z i +xy^2z^3 j- ye^z k and sigma is the surface of the box that is bounded by the coordinate planes and planes x=3, y=2 and z=1

Attempt

\int_0^3 \int_0^2 \int_0^1 2xyz^3 dzdydx where div (F)=ye^z+2xyz^3-ye^z


b) F(x,y,z)=3xy^2 i+xe^zj+z^3k and sigma is surface bounded by cylinder y^2+z^2=1 and x=-1 and x=2

Attempt

\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{1} \int_{-1}^{2} (3r^2) r dxdrd\theta where div(F)=3y^2+3z^2

c)F(x,y,z)=(x^3+y^3)i+(y^3+z^3)j+(x^3+z^3)k and sigma is sphere of r=2 and centre 0,0

Attempt

\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{\pi} \int_0^{2} 3p^4 sin(\phi) dp d\phi d\theta where div(F)=3(x^2+y^2+z^2)...?

Thanks
 
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hi bugatti79! :wink:

yes, they all look fine :smile:

(was anything worrying you about that? :confused:)
 
tiny-tim said:
hi bugatti79! :wink:

yes, they all look fine :smile:

(was anything worrying you about that? :confused:)

Thanks. I just wanted to make sure before I proceeded. Here are 3 more trickier ones.

d) ##F(x,y,z)=x^2 sin(y) i+x cos (y) j-xz sin(y) k## and sigma is the surface x^8+y^8+z^8=8
Dont know how to tackle sigma. I thought I could manipulate it using the equation of a sphere.



e) ##F(x,y,z)=x^4 i+x^3z^2 j +4y^2z k## and sigma is the surface of the solid that is bounded by the cylinder x^2+y^2=1 and the planes z=x+2 and z=0

##\displaystyle \int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^1 \int_0^{rcos(\theta)+2} (4x^3+4y^3)r dx dr d\theta=##

##\displaystyle\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^1 \int_0^{rcos(\theta)+2} (4r^3cos^3(\theta)+4r^2sin^2(\theta))r dx dr d\theta##

where ##x=rcos(\theta)##, ##y=rsin(\theta)## and ##div(F)=4x^3+4y^2##


f)##F(x,y,z)=\frac{r}{||r||}## where ##r=x i+yj+zk## and sigma consists of the hemisphere ##z=\sqrt{1-x^2-y^2}## and the disc and ##x^2+y^2\le1## in the xy plane

This looks like its going to be tedious...? ##\displaystyle div(F)=\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\frac{x}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\frac{y}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\frac{z}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}##...?

Comments on above?
 
hi bugatti79! :smile:
bugatti79 said:
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure before I proceeded. Here are 3 more trickier ones.

d) ##F(x,y,z)=x^2 sin(y) i+x cos (y) j-xz sin(y) k## and sigma is the surface x^8+y^8+z^8=8
Dont know how to tackle sigma. I thought I could manipulate it using the equation of a sphere.

erm :redface:

first, what's divF ? :biggrin:
e) …

(i assume you meant 4x3 + 4y2zk and dz ?)

yes, that looks ok :smile:
f) This looks like its going to be tedious...? ##\displaystyle div(F)=\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\frac{x}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\frac{y}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}+\frac{\partial}{\partial z}\frac{z}{(x^2+y^2+z^2)^{1/2}}##...?

just keep going, it's quite easy and it'll simplify out in the end :wink:
 
bugatti79 said:
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure before I proceeded. Here are 3 more trickier ones.

d) ##F(x,y,z)=x^2 sin(y) i+x cos (y) j-xz sin(y) k## and sigma is the surface x^8+y^8+z^8=8
Dont know how to tackle sigma. I thought I could manipulate it using the equation of a sphere.

tiny-tim said:
hi bugatti79! :smile:


erm :redface:

first, what's divF ? :biggrin:

##div(F)=0##! What does that mean physically and mathematically?


bugatti79 said:
e) ##F(x,y,z)=x^4 i+x^3z^2 j +4y^2z k## and sigma is the surface of the solid that is bounded by the cylinder x^2+y^2=1 and the planes z=x+2 and z=0

##\displaystyle \int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^1 \int_0^{rcos(\theta)+2} (4x^3+4y^3)r dx dr d\theta=##

##\displaystyle\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^1 \int_0^{rcos(\theta)+2} (4r^3cos^3(\theta)+4r^2sin^2(\theta))r dx dr d\theta##

where ##x=rcos(\theta)##, ##y=rsin(\theta)## and ##div(F)=4x^3+4y^2##


Comments on above?

tiny-tim said:
(i assume you meant 4x3 + 4y2zk and dz ?)


Not sure I follow..but should it be

##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{1} \int_0^{r \cos \theta +2} (4x^3+4y^3)dzdA## where ##da=r dr d\theta##..?

Thanks
 
bugatti79 said:
##div(F)=0##! What does that mean physically and mathematically?

mathematically, it means the integral will be 0

physically, it means F is a conserved flow
Not sure I follow..but should it be

##\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{1} \int_0^{r \cos \theta +2} (4x^3+4y^3)dzdA## where ##da=r dr d\theta##..?

my "zk" was a copy-and-paste error, it should have stopped at 4x3 + 4y2

and yes the dx (in dA) should have been dz
 
tiny-tim said:
mathematically, it means the integral will be 0

physically, it means F is a conserved flow


my "zk" was a copy-and-paste error, it should have stopped at 4x3 + 4y2

and yes the dx (in dA) should have been dz

Thank you sir :-)
 
bugatti79 said:

Homework Statement



Folks, have I set these up correctly? THanks
Use divergence theorem to calculate the surface integral \int \int F.dS for each of the following

Homework Equations



\int \int F.dS=\int \int \int div(F)dV

The Attempt at a Solution


a) F(x,y,z)=xye^z i +xy^2z^3 j- ye^z k and sigma is the surface of the box that is bounded by the coordinate planes and planes x=3, y=2 and z=1

Attempt

\int_0^3 \int_0^2 \int_0^1 2xyz^3 dzdydx where div (F)=ye^z+2xyz^3-ye^z
You are aware that this is just \nabla F= 2xyz^3 aren't you?

Your integral is just
2\left(\int_0^3 x dx\right)\left(\int_0^2 y dy\right)\left(\int_0^1 z^3 dz\right)

b) F(x,y,z)=3xy^2 i+xe^zj+z^3k and sigma is surface bounded by cylinder y^2+z^2=1 and x=-1 and x=2

Attempt

\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{1} \int_{-1}^{2} (3r^2) r dxdrd\theta where div(F)=3y^2+3z^2

c)F(x,y,z)=(x^3+y^3)i+(y^3+z^3)j+(x^3+z^3)k and sigma is sphere of r=2 and centre 0,0

Attempt

\int_0^{2\pi} \int_0^{\pi} \int_0^{2} 3p^4 sin(\phi) dp d\phi d\theta where div(F)=3(x^2+y^2+z^2)...?

Thanks
 

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