Do AC generators make use of interpoles?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the use of interpoles in A.C. generators, particularly in the context of brushless A.C. generators that utilize permanent magnets. Participants explore the implications of armature reaction, commutation versus rectification, and the arrangement of magnets in specific configurations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether A.C. generators utilize interpoles, noting their role in D.C. machines and expressing uncertainty about neutral plane shift in brushless A.C. generators.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial intuition, stating that without a commutator, the shift of the magnetic field is not a concern.
  • A later reply raises questions about the benefits of commutation over rectification, suggesting that commutation could allow for variable output voltage and direction if brushes are on a rotating assembly.
  • Further inquiries are made regarding the arrangement of permanent magnets in Halbach arrays and whether they should be aligned axially or transaxially for optimal performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the lack of concern for neutral plane shift in A.C. generators without commutation, but multiple views remain regarding the benefits of commutation and the optimal arrangement of magnets.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the operation of brushless A.C. generators and the implications of armature reaction, which may not be fully explored or defined.

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Hello, new member here. I'm giving myself a crash course and can't find a direct answer to my query outright, so here I am:

Do A.C. generators make use of interpoles? I understand the concept of interpoles in D.C. machines, offsetting neutral plane shift; however, if we have, say, a brushless ac generator that has an external prime mover and uses permanent magnets in lieu of excitation windings, are we even worried about neutral plane shift? If it's a 3-phase machine my gut says no, but again it's a self-inflicted crash course... Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Your intuition is correct. Without a commutator shift of magnetic field is of no consequence.

Armature reaction in alternators is what's behind their "Synchronous Impedance" .

old jim
 
HUZZAH, thank you. That's been driving me crazy all day.
 
Whilst we're here, is there any particular benefit of commutation over rectification?

Also, going with the pmac concept, would aligning all the poles in the same orientation have a negative effect other than reducing the available flux? Alas, at least for now, my final question: were one to arrange said magnets in halbach arrays, would they need to be aligned with the magnetic fields aligned axially or transaxially? That question is more for clarification, I'm leaning greatly towards transaxial so the coils cross the field lines more uniformly.
 
Jacob Anderson said:
Whilst we're here, is there any particular benefit of commutation over rectification?
The only benefit for commutation would be if the brushes were on a rotating assembly , then you could change the output voltage and even direction by rotating the brush assembly, this would also change the emf constant and torque constant, so it would function like a variable gear ratio. Might be useful for a primitive diesel electric locomotive, where the primer mover was constant speed.?? I think the Ward Lenard set achieved this effect and dominated the variable DC motor control industry from 1900 on Ward Lenard Control
 

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