Do all photons really follow all available paths?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of photons and their propagation paths as described by quantum electrodynamics. Participants explore the implications of photons following all available paths, particularly in scenarios where photons appear to travel along a single linear path, such as in laser beams or collimated light. The conversation touches on the conceptual understanding of photons as quantum field theoretical objects rather than classical particles.

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  • One participant references quantum electrodynamics, suggesting that photons propagate over all unobstructed paths, questioning how this applies when photons seem to follow a single linear path in certain setups like lasers or collimating lenses.
  • Another participant emphasizes that photons are quantum field theoretical objects, not classical particles, which may influence their behavior and interpretation.
  • A reference to Landau & Lifshitz discusses electromagnetic waves and the concept of photons, noting that while photons can be described as plane waves, their exact position cannot be determined due to the uncertainty principle.
  • There is a reiteration that electrons and protons, like photons, are also quantum field theoretical objects, challenging the notion of them being analogous to classical particles.

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Participants generally agree on the quantum nature of photons and other particles, but there is ongoing debate regarding the implications of this nature on the concept of following all available paths versus appearing to travel along a single path in specific contexts.

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The discussion includes references to specific texts and concepts that may not be universally agreed upon, such as interpretations of quantum electrodynamics and the implications of the uncertainty principle on the behavior of photons and other particles.

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Quantum electrodynamics "states that any particle (e.g. a photon or an electron) propagates over all available, unobstructed paths and that the interference, or superposition, of its wavefunction over all those paths at the point of observation gives the probability of detecting the particle at this point." [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat's_principle#Derivation ]. Feynman belabors this point in chapter two of his little QED book.
. I understand how the multiple paths are cancelling probabilities for reflection and diffraction. But what about a photon simply traveling from point A to point B with no intervening medium?

It seems that one can constrain (or select) photons so that they travel only a single linear path. The mirror cavity of a laser selects photons so that each one emitted appears to follow a single linear path. Another constraining device would be a collimating lens producing a linear beam. Does it make any sense in these cases to argue that photons follow “all available paths?” [A similar argument can be made for constrained/directed electrons.]
 
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Photons are not small billiard balls. They are quantum field theoretical objects.
 
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Consider Landau & Lifshitz Vol. II. On page 108, the wave equation section talks about electromagnetic waves “in which the field depends only on one coordinate, say x (and on the time). Such waves are said to be plane”. Electromagnetic waves are ever changing “plane waves moving in the positive direction along the X axis”.

In volume IV, page 5, Landau & Lifshitz continue, talking about Quantization of the Free Electromagnetic Field and on page 11, introducing photons:

These formulae enable us to introduce the concept of radiation quanta or photons, which is fundamental throughout quantum electrodynamics. We may regard the free electromagnetic field as an ensemble of particles each with energy ω (= ħω) and momentum k (=nħω/c). The relationship between the photon energy and momentum is as it should be in relativistic mechanics for particles having zero rest-mass and moving with the velocity of light. … The polarization of the photon is analogous to the spin of other particles; …. It is easily seen that the whole of the mathematical formalism developed in §2 is fully in accordance with the representation of the electromagnetic field as an ensemble of photons; it is just the second quantization formalism, applied to the system of photons. …​

A photon is a plane wave traveling through space at the speed of light. Photons do travel in a straight line (subject to diffraction and reflection) but being an oscillating plane wave, you cannot say for sure where it is (uncertainty principle).

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Orodruin said:
Photons are not small billiard balls. They are quantum field theoretical objects.
Thanks. I agree. But what about electrons, or protons that are linearly directed?
 
physics pfan said:
Thanks. I agree. But what about electrons, or protons that are linearly directed?
They too are not little billiard balls, but quantum field theoretical objects that share some properties that small billiard balls would have and therefore were called "particles".
 

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