Do Alternating Series Have Limits?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the limits of alternating series, exploring whether they converge or diverge. Participants examine specific examples of alternating series, their behaviors, and the conditions under which they may or may not have limits.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that certain alternating series, such as \(\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{(-1)^n}{n}\), do have limits, specifically that it converges to \(-\ln(2)\).
  • Others argue that not all alternating series converge, citing examples like \(\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} (-1)^n\) which oscillates too much to have a limit.
  • One participant questions the limit of the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} (-1)^n \frac{n}{n+1}\), asking if it is non-existent or equals 1.
  • Another participant states that the limit of the terms in the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} (-1)^n \frac{n}{n+1}\) does not exist, as the terms oscillate between values close to 1 and -1.
  • There is mention of the conditions under which an alternating series converges, specifically that \(a_n\) must approach 0 and be monotonic.
  • Participants discuss the necessity of the condition \(0 < a_{k+1} \leq a_k\) for convergence, with examples illustrating divergence despite \(a_n\) approaching zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the convergence of alternating series, with some asserting that certain series converge while others maintain that they do not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific limits of the series in question.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the convergence of alternating series depends on specific conditions, such as the behavior of the terms and their limits, which are not universally applicable to all series.

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I would imagine that an alternating series that goes of to infinity doesn't have a limit because it keeps switching back and forth, but I can't find anything in my textbook about it. I just want to make sure that this is right.
 
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Some alternating series do have limits. For example:

\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{(-1)^n}{n}

has a limit (and it equals log(2)).

Other series, like

\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} (-1)^n

have a too large oscillation to have a limit.
 
micromass said:
Some alternating series do have limits. For example:

\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} \frac{(-1)^n}{n}

has a limit (and it equals log(2)).

Actually -\ln 2.
 
Dickfore said:
Actually -\ln 2.

Ah yes, thank you!
 
I'm still kinda confussed, so for example if I have the series:
\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} (-1)^n \frac{n}{n+1}


Is the limit nonexistant or does it equal 1?
 
I'm Awesome said:
I'm still kinda confussed, so for example if I have the series:
\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} (-1)^n \frac{n}{n+1}


Is the limit nonexistant or does it equal 1?

That limit doesn't exist since

\lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty}{ \frac{(-1)^n n}{n+1}}\neq 0
 
Okay. So in the previos example where the limit was equal -ln2 , do I have to solve for and indeterminate power to get that answer?
 
I'm Awesome said:
Okay. So in the previos example where the limit was equal -ln2 , do I have to solve for and indeterminate power to get that answer?

No. You get that answer if you find the Taylor series for the logarithm.
 
In general , an alternating series of the form \sum (-1)k ak will converge if ak \rightarrow0 as k\rightarrow∞ and 0<ak+1≤ ak
 
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If a_n goes to 0 then the series \sum (-1)^na_n converges.
If it does not, then we can determine two subseries of \sum (-1)^n a_n, one with n even, the other with n odd, that converge to two different limits. And so the series itself does not converge.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
If a_n goes to 0 then the series \sum (-1)^na_n converges.



*** The convergence to zero of a_n must be monotone, otherwise the Leibnitz test may fail.

DonAntonio ***

If it does not, then we can determine two subseries of \sum (-1)^n a_n, one with n even, the other with n odd, that converge to two different limits. And so the series itself does not converge.
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  • #12
HallsofIvy said:
If a_n goes to 0 then the series \sum (-1)^na_n converges.
Not necessary for the following:
Consider \sumk=1 (-1)k+1 ak where ak= 1/k if k is odd and 1/k2 if k is even. It is possible to show that this alternating series diverge to +∞ although ak goes to zero.
This counter example indicates the necessity of the condition 0<ak+1 ≤ ak for convergence to happens.
 
  • #13
I'm Awesome said:
I'm still kinda confussed, so for example if I have the series:
\sum_{n=1}^{+\infty} (-1)^n \frac{n}{n+1}


Is the limit nonexistant or does it equal 1?

First off, it's not clear to me whether you're asking about the limit of the terms in the series or the limit of the series itself.

If you're asking about the limit of the terms, then the limit does not exist.
$$\lim_{n \to \infty} (-1)^n \frac{n}{n + 1}\text{ does not exist}$$

The reason is that for large n, successive terms oscillate between values close to 1 and -1, depending on whether n is even or odd, which affects the sign of (-1)n.

If you're asking about the sum of the series, then there too the limit does not exist. The Nth Term Test for Divergence says that if the limit of the terms of the series is different from zero or doesn't exist, then the series diverges. Since I established that the limit of the terms of the series doesn't exist, this theorem says that the series diverges (does not converge).
 

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