Do capacitors block unwanted ac frequencies in the wires?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of capacitors and inductors in circuits, particularly focusing on their discharge characteristics, response to direct current, frequency-dependent behavior, and applications. Participants explore concepts related to impedance in AC circuits and the filtering capabilities of capacitors.

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  • Some participants inquire about how capacitors discharge and what occurs when direct current is applied to them.
  • Questions are raised regarding whether capacitors allow only certain frequencies to have a high enough voltage in the wires and what applications exist beyond filtering.
  • Inductors are discussed in terms of their behavior under direct current and their frequency-dependent impedance.
  • One participant suggests that circuits can be analyzed using impedance, noting that low frequencies yield high impedance in capacitors and low impedance in inductors, while high frequencies yield the opposite.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of connecting a DC battery to a capacitor and the behavior of capacitors in series regarding impedance at different frequencies.
  • Some participants express the need for a deeper understanding of the principles rather than just homework questions.
  • There is a debate about the significance of components connected to the input of circuits and their effects on output voltage.
  • Concerns are raised about the practical implications of connecting capacitors across voltage sources and their behavior at different frequencies.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the principles discussed. Some questions remain unresolved, particularly regarding the specific effects of capacitors and inductors in different circuit configurations and the implications of frequency on their behavior.

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Limitations include assumptions about ideal components versus real-life behavior, the dependence on specific circuit configurations, and the lack of consensus on the practical implications of the discussed principles.

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I have been studying capacitors and inductors recently and I have seen this video.



I have a few questions about capacitors and inductors.
Capacitors:
1.how do capacitors discharge?
2. What happens when you apply direct current through a capacitor?
3.Do capacitors only allow certain frequencies to have a high enough voltage in the wires?
4.what are some applications to capacitors besides filters?

Inductors:
1.What happens when you apply direct current through an inductor?
2.Do inductors only allow certain frequencies of AC to have a high enough voltage in the wires?, Do they have a high impedance to certain frequencies?
3.How does applied voltage lagging inductor current affect applications of the inductor?
4. What are some common applications to the inductor?
That is about it. I appreciate any answers.
 
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I suggest that you spend some time studying inductor and capacitor on Wikipedia first. Then come back here and ask again about the pays you don't understand.
 
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I did.
 
lonely_nucleus said:
I did.

so what have you found out ?

lonely_nucleus said:
Capacitors:
1.how do capacitors discharge?
2. What happens when you apply direct current through a capacitor?
3.Do capacitors only allow certain frequencies to have a high enough voltage in the wires?
4.what are some applications to capacitors besides filters?

your 4 capacitor questions are pretty standard and should have been easily answered with a bit of web searching
so start with them and list some things you have found out about each of your Q's . Write it on a post and we can see
if you are on the right track and correct you where needed :smile:looking forward to your answers

Dave
 
parts 4 of each question...use of inductor or capacitor.

Such devices are used for power factor correction; which is worth investigating
 
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OK, I want you to consider the four variations of a simple circuit above. A voltage source Vin supplies the circuit. The output Vout is measured. The two resistances R are equal.

Now introduce the idea of impedance Z in AC circuits. Z can be any combination of resistive (R), capacitive (1/wC), and inductive (wL). No matter what combination, Ohm's law V=I*Z applies. w is proportional to the frequency. For low frequencies (almost DC) 1/wC is very large and wL is very small. For high frequencies, 1/wC is very small and wL is very large.

Now, can you tell what happens in each of the four circuits for two cases? First case, Vin is low frequency. Second case, Vin is high frequency. Don't worry about numbers, just think about Vout. How big will Vout be compared to Vin?
 
anorlunda said:
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OK, I want you to consider the four variations of a simple circuit above. A voltage source Vin supplies the circuit. The output Vout is measured. The two resistances R are equal.

Now introduce the idea of impedance Z in AC circuits. Z can be any combination of resistive (R), capacitive (1/wC), and inductive (wL). No matter what combination, Ohm's law V=I*Z applies. w is proportional to the frequency. For low frequencies (almost DC) 1/wC is very large and wL is very small. For high frequencies, 1/wC is very small and wL is very large.

Now, can you tell what happens in each of the four circuits for two cases? First case, Vin is low frequency. Second case, Vin is high frequency. Don't worry about numbers, just think about Vout. How big will Vout be compared to Vin?
well your circuits are low pass and high pass filters because impedance of the components change at different frequencies.

What happens when you connect a dc battery to a capacitor? will the capacitor charge and then discharge after the capacitor voltage=battery voltage.?
 
this is not HW questions. These are questions that will give me a more solid understanding of capacitors and inductors when answered.
 
lonely_nucleus said:
well your circuits are low pass and high pass filters because impedance of the components change at different frequencies.

What happens when you connect a dc battery to a capacitor? will the capacitor charge and then discharge after the capacitor voltage=battery voltage.?

Good.

An ideal capacitor connected to a battery will charge to battery voltage. When disconnected, it holds the charge. Real life capacitors have leakage which will discharge it slowly.
 
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anorlunda said:
Good.

An ideal capacitor connected to a battery will charge to battery voltage. When disconnected, it holds the charge. Real life capacitors have leakage which will discharge it slowly.
Right.

This is a strange question: When capacitors are connected in series they have low impedance at only certain frequencies. Many frequencies yield high impedance. Can a high impedance AC frequency charge a capacitor?

Do capacitors filter frequencies in wires parallel to those capacitors?
 
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anorlunda said:
consider the four variations of a simple circuit above. A voltage source Vin supplies the circuit.
In each of the 4 variations, you include a component connected from Vin to ground (drawn very close to the left side). Should we pay any heed to this component?
 
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There is no ground in those drawings. Arrows just show where Vin and Vout are measured. They are not part of the circuit.
 
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anorlunda said:
There is no ground in those drawings. Arrows just show where Vin and Vout are measured. They are not part of the circuit.
There is nothing of significance in my use of "ground", I could instead refer to your schematic's lower-most conductor as the common rail. The question concerning the component I identified still holds.
 
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There is nothing of significance in my use of "ground", I could instead refer to your schematic's lower-most conductor as the common rail. The question concerning the component I identified still holds.

In each case, there is an R or C or L connected across the input. Is that what you mean? Sure they are significant. The L Shortsout the circuit at DC and the C shorts it out for high frequencies.

As I said in #12, the arrows showing how Vin is measures are not components of the circuit.

Otherwise, I'm confused about what components you are asking about.
 
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A DC source would not like you putting a short across its terminals. For similar reasons, a high frequency source would be expected to react badly if you in effect directly "short" its terminals with a large capacitor as you propose.
 
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I'm not proposing anything practical. I was trying to explain principles using ideal components. No real life involved.

But I never said DC or infinite frequency, I merely said low or high frequencies.
 
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Talking ideal components, adding R or L or C directly across Vin will have no effect on Vout in your circuits.
 
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Ah yes, you're right. Good point.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Talking ideal components, adding R or L or C directly across Vin will have no effect on Vout in your circuits.
it doesn't need to be an ideal source... it is simply the input to that circuit block
 

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