Do Euler's Totient Function and Relative Primality Determine Group Generators?

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The discussion revolves around Euler's totient function and its relationship to group theory, specifically concerning the number of elements in a group and the identification of generators within that group.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore whether Euler's totient function indicates the number of elements in a group and discuss the criteria for identifying generators that are relatively prime to this number. Questions arise regarding the specific type of group being referenced, particularly the invertible elements of \mathbb{Z}_n.

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Some participants provide clarifications regarding the relationship between the totient function and group elements, while others express uncertainty about the correctness of statements related to generators. There is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in finding generators for such groups.

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Participants note that the original poster's statements may not fully align with established group theory concepts, particularly regarding the definition of generators and the implications of the totient function.

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Does Euler's totient function tell me how many elements are in my group?

And once I know how many elements are in my group. the generators are the ones that are relatively prime with the number of element in my group.
Are my statements correct.
 
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Homework Statement


Does Euler's totient function tell me how many elements are in my group?

And once I know how many elements are in my group. the generators are the ones that are relatively prime with the number of element in my group.
Are my statements correct.

Could you please clarify a bit? What group exactly are you talking about? Are you talking about the invertible elements of [itex]\mathbb{Z}_n[/itex]??
 
I am talking about the elements in Z(star)n . so the elements in my group have no common factors other than 1 with n,
 
Yes, the number of elements in 2n is indeed phi(n). With phi the Euler totient function.
But your statement of the generators is not true. It's very difficult to find generators for such a groups...
 
thanks for your help, my book is not very clear on how to find generators. Should I try to read another book on finding generators or make a Cayley table.
 

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