Do i have to be a grad student in order to understand lagrangian

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The discussion revolves around whether a graduate-level education is necessary to understand Lagrangian mechanics. Participants share their experiences and recommend various resources suitable for different levels of understanding, particularly for those with a background in calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if being a graduate student is required to grasp Lagrangian mechanics, expressing a desire for accessible resources.
  • Another participant asserts that Lagrangian mechanics is typically covered in undergraduate courses and suggests that knowledge of multivariable calculus is beneficial.
  • Recommendations for introductory resources include Feynman's Lectures on the "Principle of Least Action" and Marrion and Thornton's Mechanics book.
  • A participant mentions Landau and Lifschitz's volume as a compact resource, though it may not be the best starting point.
  • Goldstein's book is described as encyclopedic and more suited for graduate-level study, with a suggestion to seek preliminary exposure from other sources first.
  • One participant shares their initial exposure to Lagrangian mechanics through Fowles and Cassiday's "Analytical Mechanics," indicating it was accessible at the sophomore level.
  • Another participant recommends a course inspired by Landau and Arnold, suggesting Feynman's lectures and a book on variational calculus for beginners.
  • A participant expresses a preference for Arnold's explanations over Goldstein's, noting the concise nature of Landau's writing.
  • There is a suggestion for those with a solid understanding of Newtonian mechanics to explore an online text as a potential resource.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a graduate education is not necessary to understand Lagrangian mechanics, but there are differing opinions on the best resources and the appropriate level of prior knowledge required.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of having a good foundation in calculus and Newtonian mechanics, while others emphasize the varying complexity of different textbooks and resources.

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This discussion may be useful for undergraduate students or self-learners interested in Lagrangian mechanics and seeking appropriate resources to facilitate their understanding.

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do i have to be a grad student in order to understand lagrangian stuff?
im in calculus 2 and i was wondering if there's any books i might understand

thanks

-sw
 
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No no, you don't have to be a grad student to understand Lagrangian mechanics. It's typically dealt with in undergraduate classical mechanics. Calc 3 (multivariable) is helpful, though. I'd recommend reading the Feynman's Lectures chapter on the "Principle of Least Action", and then later chapters of Marrion and Thornton's Mechanics book. together, these will give you an excellent introduction.
 
Another book that I'm really fond of, is Landau and Lif****z, volume 1.
It is pretty compact.
 
Landau and Lifschitz is pretty compact (I can't believe it censored that), probably not the best place to look at it. Goldstein's book does a pretty solid job talking about D'Alembert's principle, Hamilton's principle, etc., and I personally love Corben and Stehle's book on the subject (this one's in Dover).
 
Goldstein is very encyclopedic, I would definitely not recommend it until after you get some preliminary exposure from another source. Goldstein is more appropriate for a graduate course (and is what I used in grad school).
 
My first exposure to the Lagrangian formulation was in a sophomore-level mechanics course that used Fowles and Cassiday, "Analytical Mechanics" as the textbook. (Back then it was just Fowles.)
 
I was taught (Lagrangian, Hamiltonian, HJ mechanics) on a course which was inspired mostly from Landau and Arnold. But for starting i'd suggest Feynman's lectures and some nice book on variational calculus (i don't remember the name at the moment)

Daniel.
 
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Arnold has a very good description. It made much more sense reading arnold than Goldstein. Landau is a gorgeous summary of classical mechanics, those russians don't waste a single word in their writings.
 
If you have a good working knowledge of Newtonian mechanics, you might want to give this online text[PDF] a try.
 

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