Do Magnets Affect Fire Behavior?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential effects of magnets on fire behavior, particularly whether magnets can control flames or influence their characteristics. Participants explore the nature of fire, its classification as plasma, and the implications of magnetic fields on combustion processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that fire is plasma and question the possibility of using magnets to control it.
  • Others argue that flames are essentially neutrally charged and cannot be effectively influenced by magnetic fields on a macroscopic scale.
  • Some participants propose that electric and magnetic fields can induce dipoles in plasma, but the practical effects on flame control may be limited by other factors like fuel availability.
  • A participant suggests that strong magnets could attract oxygen, potentially influencing fire direction, but acknowledges this does not relate to plasma properties.
  • One participant shares experimental results indicating that high voltage can manipulate fire shape, suggesting a possible interaction with the plasma state.
  • Another participant mentions that while flames are conductive and can react to magnetic fields, the interaction strength may not be significant for practical applications.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of using strong magnetic fields for fire control, noting the extreme conditions required.
  • Some participants express interest in further experimental details and methodologies regarding the manipulation of fire with electrical fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether magnets can effectively control fire. Multiple competing views exist regarding the nature of fire, its classification as plasma, and the influence of magnetic fields on combustion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of plasma, the dependence on specific experimental conditions, and unresolved questions about the practical applications of magnetic fields in fire control.

  • #31
To some degree, yes, magnets can control (or at least influence) fire. Flames are generally at least partially ionized (and various salts will ionize in flames, which is how the old "flame test" and colored fireworks work), and a net charge is not required, only a conductive fluid (saltwater can be manipulated electromagnetically too, and the plasma in fusion reactors like tokamaks is pretty neutral overall).

The same basic effects can even be used to directly produce electrical power...MHD generators are an area of active research and power plants using the technology have been built and operated. The focus there is in converting motion of combusting gases to electrical power, though, not in doing any particularly complex control via magnetic fields.
 
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  • #32
Ok so i took over 30 matches to run a test, i placed two magnets on either side of a standard box wood match, near the base of the match facing one another , The match was held with a stationary tweezer like structure, and when the fire reached the area of the magnet it died out or in some cases, reversed the flame direction. I also did a few tests where the matches did not have magnets, in which case the entire match in all cases were consumed. What this means i do not know.. but i found it interesting.. I assumed because the magnet might be a conductor there could have been a possibility of heat transfer... but wasnt sure. either that or the magnets actually did stop the flame from burning the entire match in which case I am interested to find out what that means...

oh and i took four magnets and placed them on the match and noticed i could actually box in the flame well, until the wood inbetween the magnets was no longer able to burn.
 
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Teiwaz said:
Ok so i took over 30 matches to run a test, i placed two magnets on either side of a standard box wood match, near the base of the match facing one another ,

This is unlikely to show any effect due to the magnetic field, anything you see is likely just due to the cold, air-obstructing magnets. The flame isn't substantially magnetic like iron is, it needs to be moving through the magnetic field or carrying an electrical current, or the magnetic field needs to be changing rapidly so it induces a current in the flame.
 
  • #34
Teiwaz said:
Ok so i took over 30 matches to run a test, i placed two magnets on either side of a standard box wood match, near the base of the match facing one another , The match was held with a stationary tweezer like structure, and when the fire reached the area of the magnet it died out or in some cases, reversed the flame direction. I also did a few tests where the matches did not have magnets, in which case the entire match in all cases were consumed. What this means i do not know.. but i found it interesting.. I assumed because the magnet might be a conductor there could have been a possibility of heat transfer... but wasnt sure. either that or the magnets actually did stop the flame from burning the entire match in which case I am interested to find out what that means...

oh and i took four magnets and placed them on the match and noticed i could actually box in the flame well, until the wood inbetween the magnets was no longer able to burn.

You may wish to see my post, as I managed to extinguish a match flame via a collapsing magnetic field quite easily. I wish that more people would do experiments of this nature rather than just relying on their theoretical knowledge, which clearly can be quite limited in some cases. Unfortunately I do not have the resources to do much myself at present.

Richard
 

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