Do pseudo vectors have anything to do with motion?

In summary, the conversation discusses the arbitrary nature of angular quantities and how they are used in calculations. The speaker prefers to work with continuous vector lists rather than dealing with the complexity of angular quantities. They also mention that the direction of the torque vector does not affect the analysis of why gyroscopes precess in a certain direction.
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... or are they there just to help the calculations? I mean since torque can arbitrarily be shown to go in opposite directions depending on if you use the right hand rule or left hand rule (i know this isn't really used but from what i understand it would work out the same), it wouldn't have a physical effect in the translational motion, right?

Also, just a refresher, are all angular quantities considered to be pseudo vectors? Angular velocity, angular displacement, angular acceleration...?
 
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"angular quantities" are just abstractions that prequire special conditions to facilitate some computations. so yes, they are arbitrary, but they are mostly consistent and make it easier to do standard stuff. in most cases they are the analogues of the integral of the of the continuous function multiplied by the heaviside abstraction of the definition.

I personally prefer to work with the continuous vector lists so I don't deal with that crap.

of course I could always be lying.
 
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Ok. I was watching a video that was explaining why gyroscopes precess and he was showing it in terms of the angular momentum vector and the torque vector. But since those vectors are arbitrary, why did it precess in one direction and not the other?
 
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It turns out that whichever way you choose to define the direction of the torque vector, the analysis ends up with the gyroscope precessing the same way. If you repeat the analysis using the "left-hand rule" instead of the right-hand rule, you'll see this.

Note that the choice of the torque vector entails the choice of the angular momentum vector, so there is really only one choice to make. Whichever choice you do make, any vector quantities with direct physical significance, like force and velocity, end up coming out the same.
 
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Pseudo vectors, also known as axial vectors, do have a significant role in motion and are not just used for calculations. While they may not have a direct physical effect on translational motion, they are crucial in understanding rotational motion and the principles of torque. In fact, the right hand rule and left hand rule are based on the direction of the pseudo vector and help us determine the direction of the resulting torque. So, while they may not have a direct effect on translational motion, they are essential in understanding rotational motion and its effects on objects.

As for angular quantities, yes, all of them are considered to be pseudo vectors. This is because they have both magnitude and direction, and their direction is determined by the right hand rule. This includes angular velocity, angular displacement, and angular acceleration. Understanding these quantities and their direction is crucial in accurately describing rotational motion and its effects.

In conclusion, pseudo vectors play a crucial role in understanding motion, particularly rotational motion, and are not just used for calculations. They are essential in determining the direction of torque and understanding the principles of rotational motion. And yes, all angular quantities are considered to be pseudo vectors.
 

1. What are pseudo vectors?

Pseudo vectors, also known as axial vectors, are mathematical quantities that have magnitude and direction, but do not follow the same rules of vector addition as regular vectors. They are commonly used in physics to represent quantities such as torque and angular momentum.

2. Do pseudo vectors have anything to do with motion?

Yes, pseudo vectors can be used to represent rotational motion, such as the motion of a spinning object. They can also be used to describe the velocity of a point on a rotating body, known as angular velocity.

3. How do pseudo vectors differ from regular vectors?

Pseudo vectors differ from regular vectors in how they behave under certain operations. For example, the cross product of two pseudo vectors is a regular vector, but the cross product of two regular vectors is a pseudo vector. Additionally, pseudo vectors do not follow the commutative property of vector addition.

4. Can pseudo vectors be added or subtracted?

Yes, pseudo vectors can be added or subtracted, but they do not follow the same rules as regular vectors. The result of adding or subtracting pseudo vectors may not be a pseudo vector, and the order in which they are added or subtracted can affect the result.

5. How are pseudo vectors useful in physics?

Pseudo vectors are useful in physics as they allow us to accurately describe and calculate quantities related to rotational motion, such as torque and angular momentum. They also help us to understand and predict the behavior of objects that are rotating or undergoing circular motion.

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