Do sinking objects lose momentum with depth?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of a sinking object in water, specifically a cylinder that displaces more water than its volume and whether it slows down as it descends to greater depths due to increasing water pressure. Participants explore the implications of drag, buoyancy, and the forces acting on the object, while also considering the weight measurement at the ocean floor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the cylinder slows down due to increasing water pressure, suggesting that without drag, the only forces are gravity and buoyancy, leading to constant acceleration.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a realistic approach, arguing that without drag, the object would accelerate indefinitely, which is not physically plausible.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of terminal velocity, indicating that with drag, the object would reach a constant sinking speed that does not depend on depth.
  • There is mention of Archimedes' principle in relation to buoyancy and the weight measurement on a scale at the ocean floor, with a focus on the constant underwater weight of the object.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of drag and pressure on the sinking object. While some agree on the principles of buoyancy and constant weight, there is no consensus on the physical implications of neglecting drag in the scenario.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the independence of water density from pressure and the simplification of drag effects are noted as limitations in the discussion.

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Hey guys, many might find my question stupid, but I could really really use an answer.
Imagine a 1 cubic meter cylinder that weighs 1.2 metric tons. It displaces more water than its volume, so it will sink. For the sake of simplicity, let's imagine there's no drag and it's hydrodynamic.
As it reaches the depths of an ocean, does it slow down in its descend due to the increasing water pressure? And if so, how does one calculate that?
Also, let's pretend that the bottom of the ocean is at 100m. If I put a scale down there and the cylinder comes to a stop on top of the scale, what weight will the scale show me?
 
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Hello Adrian, :welcome:
Adrian Stanciu said:
It displaces more water than its volume
How does it do that :smile: ?
Adrian Stanciu said:
imagine there's no drag
OK,
Adrian Stanciu said:
does it slow down in its descend due to the increasing water pressure
Well, if there is no drag, the only forces are from gravity and from buoyancy. The resultant is a constant (*), so according to F = ma it will not slow down but keep accelerating uniformly ...
Adrian Stanciu said:
what weight will the scale show me
I gave that away, didn't I ? Except I didn't specify the buoyancy force. Can you help me with that ? Archimedes or something ?

And I kind of also gave away that it doesn't matter if the floor is at 50, 100 or 500 m: the scale will show this constant force...

(*) for simplicity I let the density of water be independent of the pressure.
 
BvU said:
Hello Adrian, :welcome:
How does it do that :smile: ?
OK,
Well, if there is no drag, the only forces are from gravity and from buoyancy. The resultant is a constant (*), so according to F = ma it will not slow down but keep accelerating uniformly ...
I gave that away, didn't I ? Except I didn't specify the buoyancy force. Can you help me with that ? Archimedes or something ?

And I kind of also gave away that it doesn't matter if the floor is at 50, 100 or 500 m: the scale will show this constant force...

(*) for simplicity I let the density of water be independent of the pressure.
Thank you so much for your answer!
I did mean to say that it weighs more than the volume of water it displaces and so it sinks.. but somehow I got confused.
As for the other things, well I do appreciate sarcasm if it makes me realize where I did wrong.

You guys keep up the good job! Been looking for an answer to my question for 2 days and I got it from here in 45 minutes.
 
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Adrian Stanciu said:
For the sake of simplicity, let's imagine there's no drag
So do you see how this part of your question isn't physical? All the rest is fine, but if you want to understand the physical situation, you need to be realistic.

As BvU alluded to, without drag, the block will keep accelerating without bound. That's not physical, right?

With drag, the block reaches its terminal velocity fairly quickly, and keeps sinking at the same terminal velocity rate independent of depth (contingent on the * note by BvU). Does that make sense? And the underwater weight of the block will be constant with depth, again, as long as the water is incompressible (which it mostly is). :smile:
 
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