Do you HAVE always to use u-substitution?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of using u-substitution in integration, specifically in the context of the integral ∫sinxcosx dx evaluated between 0 and π/2. Participants explore whether different methods yield different results and seek clarification on the correct approach to the integral.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether u-substitution is always necessary, citing their calculation of the integral ∫sinxcosx dx resulting in 0, which contradicts the expected answer of 1/2.
  • Another participant suggests that the original poster is using an incorrect integration rule, implying that their method of antiderivation is flawed.
  • Some participants challenge the validity of the integration method used, suggesting that differentiating the product of functions might clarify the misunderstanding.
  • A later reply points out that the integral has a specific form that should guide the integration process, hinting at a more straightforward approach without explicitly stating it.
  • One participant advises that further discussion should be directed to the homework forums, indicating a boundary around the current discussion's scope.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of u-substitution, as there are competing views on the validity of the integration methods discussed and the correctness of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of integration rules and the conditions under which u-substitution is appropriate. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the integration of the given function.

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Do you always have to use u-substitution? i.e. sometimes will you get a different answer to if you didn't? I am asking because I had the integral ∫sinxcosx dx between 0 and π/2 and the answer was 1/2 but I got 0.

∫sinxcosx dx between 0 and π/2=-cos(π/2)sin(π/2)=0 according to my calculations.

What am I doing wrong?

I don't thin this counts as homework style as I am hoping just to find out whether you always have to use u-substitution in certain case using the above question as proof.
 
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Superposed_Cat said:
Do you always have to use u-substitution? i.e. sometimes will you get a different answer to if you didn't? I am asking because I had the integral ∫sinxcosx dx between 0 and π/2 and the answer was 1/2 but I got 0.

∫sinxcosx dx between 0 and π/2=-cos(π/2)sin(π/2)=0 according to my calculations.

What am I doing wrong?
Antidifferentiating incorrectly.

You are using a fallacious integration rule here:
[tex]\int{u}'(x)v'(x)dx=u(x)v(x)+C[/tex]
 
why is that not valid?
what should I have done?
 
Superposed_Cat said:
why is that not valid?
You might try to differentiate u(x)*v(x).
Do you then get your integrand u'(x)*v'(x)?

If you don't get that result, then you've proven that u(x)*v(x) is not an antiderivative of u'(x)*v'(x)
 
Superposed_Cat said:
Do you always have to use u-substitution? i.e. sometimes will you get a different answer to if you didn't? I am asking because I had the integral ∫sinxcosx dx between 0 and π/2 and the answer was 1/2 but I got 0.

∫sinxcosx dx between 0 and π/2=-cos(π/2)sin(π/2)=0 according to my calculations.

What am I doing wrong?

If you look at the original integral carefully, you would see that it has the form:

[itex]\int u\ du[/itex]

and it should be pretty obvious how to handle it.
 
For further advice on this exercise, please use the homework forums.
 

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