Do you integrate a variable charge density when solving for Q?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of variable charge density when calculating total charge (Q) in a specific geometric configuration. Participants explore the implications of a charge density function that varies with the z-coordinate and how to properly set up the integral for calculating charge in a partition of an infinite volume.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving an infinite block with a variable charge density defined as p = p0*(a^2 - z^2) and questions whether to integrate directly or substitute the charge density first.
  • Another participant suggests that since p is defined as p0*(a^2 - z^2), it may not matter how the integration is approached, but raises a concern about integrating without substitution.
  • A different participant proposes taking p out of the integral initially and substituting it later, while emphasizing that the value of z is critical since it affects the charge density.
  • One participant clarifies that the charge in the infinite sheet must account for all values of z between -b and b, indicating that p(z) cannot be factored out of the integral because it varies with z.
  • There is a mention of confusion regarding the integration process, particularly about how the provided density function simplifies the integration over the volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the proper method for integrating the variable charge density, with no consensus reached on whether to substitute the charge density before or after integrating.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion regarding the integration limits and the dependence of the charge density on the variable being integrated, indicating that assumptions about the integration process may need clarification.

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For example, let's say there was an block infinitely long in the x and y direction and in the z direction bounded by positive and negative a.

I am trying to find the charge of a imaginary partition infinitely long in the x and y direction and in the z direction bounded by positive and negative b, where b is less than a.

Here is where I get confused, if the charge density is something like p = p0*(a^2 - z^2), where z in the case is b, as mentioned above.

dQ = p * dV

Do i integrate from here or do I substitute in p = p0*(a^2 - z^2), and then integrate?
 
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As p is equal to p0*(a^2 - z^2) it does not matter, but I wonder how you try to integrate it without replacing p by the other expression.
 
I thought to just take p out of the integral and substitute it in later after I integrate dV with respect to z. Also, p should still matter because I stated that z^2 is in this case b^2.
 
Perhaps this will help: ##\renewcommand{\d}{\text{d}}##
The charge in the infinite sheet between ##z## and ##z+dz## is $$\d q=p(z)\d z$$
So the charge within ##|z|<b## is the sum of all such sheets inside that range.

I stated that z^2 is in this case b^2.
In your example, "##z^2=b^2##", as you say, only at the point ##z=b## ... but the total charge includes all the charge at all points between z=-b and z=b as well - so z has to be able to take on all values in between. vis: $$q=\int_{-b}^b p(z)\;\d z$$ ... i.e. you cannot take ##p## outside the integral because it depends on the variable being integrated over.

There may be a small confusion here though.
after I integrate dV with respect to z
$$\d q=\rho(x,y,z) \d V = p(z)\d z : p(z)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty\int_{-\infty}^\infty\rho(x,y,z)\; \d x\d y$$ ... the provided density function has already done two of the integrations for you - so you are not integrating dV over z.
 
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