Does a 2 Light-Year Long Steel Bar Move Instantly When Pushed?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a 2 light-year long steel bar would move its far end instantly when pushed or if there would be a delay in the movement. This inquiry touches on concepts related to wave propagation in materials, specifically in the context of physics education.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that there would be a delay in movement, with propagation occurring at the speed of sound in the bar, defined as the square root of Young's modulus over density.
  • Another participant questions the implications of this delay, expressing confusion about how the bar could temporarily shorten as a result of the compression wave.
  • A different participant clarifies that the length of the bar would indeed change temporarily due to the compression wave, regardless of the nature of the movement.
  • Another point raised includes the consideration of inertia affecting the behavior of a 2 light-year long steel bar.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there would be a delay in the movement of the far end of the bar, but there is some confusion and debate regarding the implications of this delay and the behavior of the bar during the process.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about material properties and the nature of wave propagation in solids may not be fully articulated, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of inertia on the system.

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I'm a physics teacher and one of my AP students posed the following question: "if there was a steel bar 2 light years long and you moved it forward a couple inches, would the other end move forward a couple inches immediately or would there be a delay?". We'd been discussing electric fields, so that got him thinking. I thought it was interesting and wondered how others would have answered.

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There would be a delay. The movement would propagate down the bar at the speed of sound in the bar, which is \sqrt{Y/\rho}, square root of Young's modulus over density.
 
Khashishi said:
There would be a delay. The movement would propagate down the bar at the speed of sound in the bar, which is \sqrt{Y/\rho}, square root of Young's modulus over density.

So if what you say is true then the bar would be a couple of inches shorter for a little while ? I fail to understand how that can happen :S
 
It's not surprising that the length of the bar will change. If you strike a bar, it will compress a little and send a compression wave down the bar. It's no different if you move it gently--the compression wave is just much smaller in amplitude.
 
Not to mention the inertia of a 2 lightyear long steel bar!
 

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