Does a discontinuous function for have an antiderivative?

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The discussion centers on the question of whether a discontinuous function can have an antiderivative. Participants explore various examples of discontinuous functions and their properties regarding differentiability and the existence of antiderivatives, touching on theoretical implications and specific cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a piecewise function, f(x), which is discontinuous at x=5, and questions whether there exists a continuous function F(x) such that F'(x) = f(x) for all x.
  • Another participant provides an example of a discontinuous function, f(x) = sin(1/x) + cos(1/x)/x for x ≠ 0, which has an antiderivative, F(x) = x*sin(1/x), while also noting that not all discontinuous functions have antiderivatives, citing a specific case.
  • A participant inquires about examples of Darboux functions that lack antiderivatives, suggesting that such functions must exist based on the properties of Darboux functions.
  • Another participant argues that since any function can be expressed as the sum of two Darboux functions, if all Darboux functions had antiderivatives, it would imply that all functions do, leading to a contradiction.
  • A specific example of a Darboux function that is everywhere discontinuous is mentioned, along with a reference to the Baire category theorem, which indicates that any derivative of such a function is continuous at some points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of antiderivatives for discontinuous functions, with some examples supporting the idea that certain discontinuous functions do have antiderivatives, while others argue that not all do. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the characterization of functions that admit antiderivatives.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between continuity, differentiability, and the existence of antiderivatives, with references to specific mathematical theorems and examples that illustrate these concepts.

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Can F'(x) =f(x) even if f is not continuous
I tried making a function let
f(x) =5 if x<=5
f(x)=4 if x>5
f is not continuous at 5
Then F(x) =5x x<=5
F(x) =4x+5 x>5
Clearly F is continuous at 5 but F is not differentiable at 5..
So is there a discontinuous function that has F'(x) =f(x) for every x?
 
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Sure, some discontinuous functions have anti-derivatives. For example, take the function ##f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## given by

[tex]f(x) = \sin(1/x) + \frac{\cos(1/x)}{x}[/tex]

with ##x\neq 0## and ##f(0) = 0##. This is discontinuous, but has anti-derivative ##F(x) = x\sin(1/x)##.

However, not all discontinuous functions admit anti-derivatives. For example, the function ##f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## given by ##f(x) = 0## if ##x\leq 0## and ##f(x) = 1## if ##x>0##. This can be shown to admit no anti-derivative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darboux's_theorem_(analysis)

The question to characterize the functions which do admit anti-derivatives seems very hard, and is (as far as I know) unsolved.
 
What's an example of a Darboux function without an antiderivative?
 
lugita15 said:
What's an example of a Darboux function without an antiderivative?

It's not difficult to show that one must exist as follows: Any function can be written as the sum of two Darboux functions. Thus if all Darboux functions had an antiderivative, then all functions have one. This is a contradiction.

A specific example would probably be given by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_base_13_function This function is a Darboux function, but it is everywhere discontinuous. But it can be shown using the Baire category theorem, that any derivative is in fact continuous somewhere (and in fact, in a dense and ##G_\delta## set of points).

This might be of interest: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/112067/how-discontinuous-can-a-derivative-be
 

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